I played 360

[Perfect Stu]

Originally Posted by Link1130

Some people have to save up to upgrade their video console and they expect to be able to tell the difference. They shouldn't have to spend another several hundred to a thousand dollars, or more, just to appreciate the graphical upgrade.

This is what I got out Dyne's message:

-DOA4 is a very average looking next gen game, not a whole lot better than top XBox stuff
-You can, however, notice the differences much more easily when it is being displayed on a quality TV
-XBox 360 games look better on HDTVs than 'old' TVs


Now, maybe I was supposed to read "you cant tell the difference between XBox 360 and XBox unless you spend upwards of $1000 on a new TV"...Hopefully Dyne can clear that up for us.

And if you were trying to exaggerate to prove a point, it still didn't work (unless you truly believe there would be no visable difference between XBox 360 games and XBox games on a non-HDTV)

[Dyne]

Yeah.

I believe I said "I played DOA4 on my 30"-ish TV with AV output, and it looked somewhat the same as DOA3, but better."

"Somewhat" being a keyword to describe DOA4's likeliness to its predecessor. The models are a lot better, the stages are a lot more huge and detailed, and there's blur and stuff. I was absolutely amazed at the level of quality of Ryu Hayabusa's Ninja helmet on my little screen, but when I brought it to the bigger screen I really appreciated it. The textures will show up better on a better screen, of course.

Of course you can't base it off one game. I played Kameo on a tiny screen at a store and I appreciated the amount of polys the screen was pushing and some of the very realistic shining effects. However, this was back when it came out, and I played it from a jaded standpoint - but I still admired the jump of graphics. I'm sure if I played Kameo now on my own setup I'd appreciate it more.

Fight Night 3 is just astounding. No current console can do it. It's just amazing. Maybe I was a little confusing, but this game is basically the tits on any screen.

[Ginkasa]

Originally Posted by Link1130

I know I want to spend several hundred to a thousand dollars on a new TV (and maybe new cables?) in addition to the money for my XBox360 and a game just so I can fully appreciate the graphical difference.

This is my first post. You'll notice the word "fully" (bolded to increase your chance of seeing it easily) next to "appreciate." By using this adverb I was indicating my understanding that a person could notice a graphical difference on a regular TV, but would not get the full effect unless they were playing the game on a high definition television set. I believe this concurs with Dyne's explanation of his own, original post.

I wrote the post as a sarcastic comment that people who were buying an XBox360 would not really get their money's worth unless they also bought or already owned an HDTV.

You, Stu, either misread my post or took it too literally and stated that HDTVs could do more than just video games.

My second post was a reply to your post clarifying and restating the intent and meaning behind my first post. I, regretfully, neglected to include the previous mentioned adverb of "fully," or some form of synonym.

This led to your second misunderstanding in which you believed I either misread Dyne's original post or exaggerated to prove a point (which I did neither).

This, my third post, has been written to hopefully clear up any confusion over one simple sarcastic comment. If you have any questions feel free to ask.


/me shrugs and walks away

[Null]

Originally Posted by Link1130

If you have any questions feel free to ask.

If a cow moo's in the woods and no ones around to hear it... Can it still give milk?

[Ginkasa]

No, unless it learns how to milks itself.


/me shrugs and walks away

[KillerGremlin]

It could be worse. To "fully" appreciate PC gaming you could be spending an upward of 3, 4 thousand dollars.

Considering HDTV was supposed to be a standard, I think the current generation of consoles are doing the right thing.

[Canyarion]

Look what I started.

[Jonbo298]

You spend that much if you have another company do it for you.

For me, my first computer cost me around $1200 (with monitor price included) all built myself. I still use 85% of what I made back in 2003. I don't "fully" benefit from PC gaming but things still play damn well. When I upgrade, I *could* spend around $1700 but thats because I take a few existing parts over.

But it gives me something to last for me for awhile. Does it seem like a waste to spend so much compared to the 360 or Wii or PS3? not for me. I get more value out of a PC moreso then a console could ever give me. So I feel my investment in a computer every few years is worth my money. A console is once I have some extra money laying around and decide to buy one for a game.

[Null]

Originally Posted by KillerGremlin

It could be worse. To "fully" appreciate PC gaming you could be spending an upward of 3, 4 thousand dollars.

Considering HDTV was supposed to be a standard, I think the current generation of consoles are doing the right thing.

actually to fully appreciate PC gaming, you only need to spend about 1k. maybe less.

But some people THINK they need to spend 3 or 4k to do the exact same thing. A better PC it is yes. but i dont understand why some people think they need it when you can spend much much less and still run any game at full settings.

[Canyarion]

PCs drop in price pretty fast, so I just always buy the second-newest stuff.

[BreakABone]

Originally Posted by Typhoid

Why doesnt the Wii need looks?

Because it's 200 dollars for a graphics card, and controller port, more or less?


*coughfanboycough*

Not trying to defend Angrist here or anything but I think you missed his point as did the others.

I don't think he means to say that he doesn't wish Wii had better graphics. But for quite some time, we have all known that the Wii wouldn't offer state of the art next gen graphics. And I guess most have come to terms with that. What they will offer or try to offer is a new way to play games. We have to wait on that.

However, the biggest reason to switch from xbox to 360 or from ps2 to ps3 is its increase in graphics. Hence, if there is not a large margin of difference between the graphics, which I find untrue anyhow. Then there is no real need for the systems.

[KillerGremlin]

Originally Posted by Null

actually to fully appreciate PC gaming, you only need to spend about 1k. maybe less.

But some people THINK they need to spend 3 or 4k to do the exact same thing. A better PC it is yes. but i dont understand why some people think they need it when you can spend much much less and still run any game at full settings.

Yeah....

I'd go with water cooling, top of the line processor, top of the line dueling video cards, 7.1 surround sound, sound card that supports my sound set up, a top of the line LCD monitor, a nice reclining chair that swivels and maybe does other stuff, the mini fridge on my desk, and maybe 8 gigs of ram and a terabyte of space or two if I had 3 or 4k sitting around.


Don't get me wrong, my 900 dollar PC can run most games damn well up to this point.

Originally Posted by Canyarion

PCs drop in price pretty fast, so I just always buy the second-newest stuff.

same

[Perfect Stu]

Originally Posted by Link1130

This is my first post. You'll notice the word "fully" (bolded to increase your chance of seeing it easily) next to "appreciate." By using this adverb I was indicating my understanding that a person could notice a graphical difference on a regular TV, but would not get the full effect unless they were playing the game on a high definition television set. I believe this concurs with Dyne's explanation of his own, original post.

I wrote the post as a sarcastic comment that people who were buying an XBox360 would not really get their money's worth unless they also bought or already owned an HDTV.

You, Stu, either misread my post or took it too literally and stated that HDTVs could do more than just video games.

My second post was a reply to your post clarifying and restating the intent and meaning behind my first post. I, regretfully, neglected to include the previous mentioned adverb of "fully," or some form of synonym.

This led to your second misunderstanding in which you believed I either misread Dyne's original post or exaggerated to prove a point (which I did neither).

This, my third post, has been written to hopefully clear up any confusion over one simple sarcastic comment. If you have any questions feel free to ask.


* Link1130 shrugs and walks away

my last post was replying to your second message...the part that I quoted specifically. i didnt go back and read your original message, so that's partly my fault.




and you're right........a cow would need to learn how to milk itself.