Both Gamecube & GBA Successor confirmed by Nintendo

[bobcat]

The Ps2 was always going to have the most hardware sales, no matter how many things it did wrong with the hardware. Why? It all dates back to the N64 and Psx days.

Sony struck a gold mine with the Psx, and now they sit comfortably for the next couple of generations of consoles (including the Ps3 me thinx). Because they have won the consumers trust in a console that has the most varied and high quality games.

With so many people buying a Psx, naturally the Ps2 is going to sell, especially considering it has a DVD player installed (which was highly on demand at the release of the Ps2). Which makes me think if the Ps3 is going to come built with a DVD burner

It's a no brainer. The Xbox and GC will never catch up to the Ps2's sales. But each console does have its good/bad points. Which is why I bought all 3. So as a gamer I can choose which games I want.

[TheGame]

If GCN can't break 20 Milltion world wide in sales, Nintendo should stop making consoles. If they do break it and still lose to Xbox, they should stop making consoles. If they break 20 and beat Xbox They better release the most kick as system ever before they even imagine competing with Sony.

The thing that sucks is Nintendo is as good as dead because they are a video game ONLY company and can only afford so much.

I mean, Sony and MS could take a $200+ loss on ever Xbox/Ps2 sold at launch, and wait years to break even. While Nintendo could do the same, but they can't risk it because if GCN were to flop with a $200 loss on every console the company "Nintendo" would be dead... while "Microsoft" and "Sony" consider Video games one of thier lowest priorities. (I think it's coming up on Sony's list, but to M$ it's just a way to waste billtions to make billions)

This is why I think Nintendo should wait on next generation and release the console a year later than the competition.

I mean, if M$, Sony, AND Nintendo launched at the same time Nintendo would be raped. Nintendo would have the smallest advertizing campaing... and the highest priced hardware. (if not highes priced, lowest in quality because they can't afford to dress up a $500 system in $300 like M$ and Sony)

If they wait a year, they can get that advantage they had with N64 that Microsoft stole this generation. "Power"

(I think if it wasn't for N64's power advantage over Psx, N64 would have flopped.)

But who knows... maybe Nintendo has a good chance of regaining the crown. Maybe not. All I know is, with all the hype of the "Nintendo Dolphin" and how "N" fanboys were praising it from the start, and also how they would act like it can murder Ps2 and Xbox.... I would have thought this generation GCN had a great chance.

[GameKinG]

You would be suprised what Nintendo could afford. Unless it was $30 Billion.

[Joeiss]

Nintendo can afford jack squat compared to Sony and MicroSoft.

[GameKinG]

I didnt say they could afford as much. But sony and MS dont normaly make purchases that are also out of Nintendo's reach.

Besides, they are still more successful in THIS industry.

[Joeiss]

Originally posted by GameKinG
I didnt say they could afford as much. But sony and MS dont normaly make purchases that are also out of Nintendo's reach.

That is only because they do not have to. Nintendo usually opts out in the buying process, so MS or Sony purchase something that Nintendo could, but didn't.

[GameKinG]

How did this convo even turn into a networth chat.

Lets keep on topic:

Both Gamecube & GBA Successor confirmed by Nintendo

[Bond]

1. If this was a money war in the videogame industry Microsoft would have already won. I've said it before and I'll say it again, Bill Gate's net worth is slightly more than Sony. Nintendo can not fairly compete with Microsoft, or even Sony money wise.

2. Successors to the GameCube and GBA are nothing to get excited about, successors to the PS2 and Xbox have already been announced. I don't see why anyone would be jumping up and down.

[GameKinG]

Because of the people who said Nintendo cant afford to move to the next genration, and they just cant make it in the console industry. Therefore Nintendo = Third Party...

[Angrist]

Perhaps they should make 1 uber-console. That would be the best solution. No more competition, but the powers of all companies combined.

Nintendo's controller with M$'s console power with Nintendo's games with PS2 popularity & game diversity.

I hate the competition. "PS2 is much better because it has cooler games!" "Well, I like the games Nintendo makes!!" "You suck!"
And besides, it's getting harder to play multiplayer games because everybody has different consoles (and thus different controllers).

[GameKinG]

That would probably be bad for some 3rd parties. Now they have like 7 NFL games to compete with, yet when you have 3 console some say on that console only, so no worry.

[TheGame]

I love competition.

(Imagine if GBA had competition, the handheld gaming buisness would be twice as good and probably twice as "Advanced")

I just don't like the three way competition. I consider Nintendo more of a developer than a console maker... that's why I'd rather see them join up with MS or Sony.

Plus I hate how ignorant they are when making consoles. I mean, if GCN would have had a decent sized memory card that could have solved half the issues I had with the system. Nintendo is also completly ignoring DVD playback and Online Gaming because "It's not profitable yet"

wtf?

I know every DC owner who played a lot of online games, and every Ps2/Xbox gamer to touch an online game probably can't imagine buying ONLY a console that doesn't feature any type of online play. It's profitable, trust me.

They just want to sit back and wait while the competitors test the waters with newer features. "Ooh... people want carts, not CDs, cause of the loading times"

Then there was the "GCN loads faster than N64" thing. Complete BS.

There is also the instance where they sell thier highest quality 2nd party.... why? To get a few bucks in thier pockets. 10 years down the line will Nintendo look back on that as one of the smartest moves the ever made? Doubtful.

Damn, I didn't relize I could bitch this much about Nintendo this gen.

Next generation they better do EVERYTHING right, or I'm not buying. I mean, as if losing Perfect Dark, The No Mercy wrestling engine, and the "Dark" Zelda wasn't enough. I could care less about Nintendo's 1st/2nd parties now.... my respect for them is fading. When they start worrying about Game quality instead of how much they will profit, I will go back to thier side... and I don't think that will ever happen unless they turn into a 2nd party.

[Crash]

pc's outsell macs by a landslide, macs aren't leaving. they are still being made. WHy? cause they ahve a loyal following, so does nintendo. they aren't going anywhere, nintendo is still making millions of dollars, just not as many millions as sony. (but sony is losing a bunch in their movie and other electronic business he he )

[TheGame]

Originally posted by Crash
pc's outsell macs by a landslide, macs aren't leaving. they are still being made. WHy? cause they ahve a loyal following, so does nintendo. they aren't going anywhere, nintendo is still making millions of dollars, just not as many millions as sony. (but sony is losing a bunch in their movie and other electronic business he he )

I'm not denying that they are making money... read the below quote:

"When they start worrying about Game quality instead of how much they will profit, I will go back to thier side... "

Yes, Nintendo is making millions... but off of what?

1) Selling Rare aka selling game quality?
2) Having super low memory cards[/b] at an extreme rip-off price? Memory card 59, 500kb, $15... Ps2's memory card, 8000kb $30... 16x the memory for 2x the price, and yes Sony profits a lot off of thier memory cards. The funny part is, it hurts the game quality of 90% of (simulation) sports games on the Cube.
3) Taking the smallest loss on every system made instead of just simply lowering the price?
4) Making crap games and tossing Nintendo licenced charicters on it just so it will sell?

These are just a few examples. Before Rare was sold and before I know THQ would stop making wrestling games with the Aki engine, and before Zelda got the makeover... buying into GCN's craptacular hardware was worth it.

I used to not need sports games to buy a Nintendo system because I was guaranteed greatness out of the first and second parties. Is that still the case? NO. Nintendo hasn't done anything great with GCN yet if you ask me.

Thank god I didn't just own a cube, I would have went insane.

It is fall 2002, aka the year hyped up to be "owned" by Nintendo... and with the exception of AC there isn't a game I have wanted that was released in September, October, November, or December that I couldn't get a better version of on Ps2.

Why is this? Because Nintendo is in it for the money. Not to say nobody else wants money... but they are putting more forward in thier hardware than Nintendo. What was Nintendo's last big developer purchase? M$ flopped out $$$ for Rare... and Sony flops out $$$ to keep the GTA series exclusive. What does Nintendo do? Look for the cheapest little nobody developer they can find and try to make them great by giving them a Nintendo licence.

Even Hal Labs... take away Nintendo franchises and what are they? SSB would be a joke without Mario and Link jumping around.

Nintendo is a great developer, they are just trying too hard for that little profit. They turn thier back on my as a sport gamer just to make an extra $10 per memory card sold, I'll just turn my back on them.

[Joeiss]

Nice posts, BJW.

I would give you some dblns, but you cannot take them, and I cannot give them.


And another thing, does Nintendo lose money on their GCNs?