The Passion of Jesus Christ

[Ginkasa]

Groups that are trying to protect against racism and stuff like that are usually over-sensitive and some actually become prejudiced toward their race (as in, favorably; like this black guys was joking and said some racist remark [toward whites] and another white guy, joking along, said a racist joke [toward blacks]; white guy was sued; black guy went scotch free).

Anyway, the people against anti-Semitism are overly sensitive and probably exaggerating tons of stuff. It says in the CNN article, only one guy from ADL has actually seen the movie. And there have been several Jewish and Jewish supporters who say the movie is great (also in the CNN article).

Although you may not believe Gibson is being malicious or purposefully slaming Jews, you are condemning the movie before you've seen. See it before you start calling it anti-semitic. If you refuse to see it, don't bash it. It may very well be anti-semitic, but you have no right to call it that if you haven't seen it.

You say you're basing your opinion off of sources you've read, but you obviously haven't read enough. There are plenty of people who say it isn't anti-semitic, probably even more than what you can find considering that controversy sells more papers than not.

Listen to both sides of the argument. Don't base your opinion by just listening or paying attention to one side. Most of all: see the movie.


*shrugs and walks away*

[Koopa]

Originally Posted by DeathsHand

I figure I'll weigh in on this topic... I skimmed over the last page of the discussion and this is what I made of it...

Jew = Booo to this movie!
Other people = Lighten up...

So let me ask this question:
How many NON-jews do you have in YOUR cabinet, Koopa?

I'd rather just be all sarcastic and stuff than get involved in another religious debate...

An 18-page report sponsored by the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops and the Anti-Defamation League warned that the film, slated for release next year, could trigger increased anti-Semitism by reinvigorating the ancient Christian charge of deicide — that Jews were responsible for killing Jesus — which is believed to have caused the persecution and killing of Jews for two millennia.

Although you may not believe Gibson is being malicious or purposefully slaming Jews, you are condemning the movie before you've seen. See it before you start calling it anti-semitic. If you refuse to see it, don't bash it. It may very well be anti-semitic, but you have no right to call it that if you haven't seen it.

for the third and final time...i am basing my opinion on the information available to me seeing as IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR ME TO WATCH THE MOVIE YET. if i hear it is a good movie from reviewers when it is released in theaters, i guess i'll go see it.

[Joeiss]

Koopa, Jesus was looked upon as a criminal, that is why he was put to death. Prisoners were treated very, very poorly in those times, and it was common to "disrespect" them by abusing them. So, the Jews spat on him, who cares? It was what everybody was doing then.

[Canyarion]

Originally Posted by Koopa

...and he would pronounce the true name of god, whatever that may be...

JHWH.
'Jehova' or 'Jahweh'.

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by Joeiss

Koopa, Jesus was looked upon as a criminal, that is why he was put to death. Prisoners were treated very, very poorly in those times, and it was common to "disrespect" them by abusing them. So, the Jews spat on him, who cares? It was what everybody was doing then.

I also believe that a common practice of putting a criminal to death was a public stoning.

Listen, I fear that all people are doing is getting riled up over nothing. The PUBLIC condemned Christ, according to the bible, and the PUBLIC happened to be jewish as there were only 12 Christians in the whole world at that time.

My feeling is that if you are going to get upset over this
movie, and the movie follows the Bible, then you should also get upset over the Bible. Its far easier to condemn a movie rather than a book of faith, now isn't it?

[Dark Samurai]

agreed

[Dylflon]

You can't win when you make a movie about Jesus. If you make stuff up in the movie, everyone would be like, "That's not how it happened!" and then they'd protest the movie. But if you tell it like it did happen, everyone protests the movie anyways. That's why I think fundamentalists should just shut the hell up. Because no matter what you do, they'll yell at you.

[rottwylor]

Who cares... none of us were there to witness what did or did not happen. So how can any of us argue. The records surrounding the events are shady at best (IMO). So why fight? Get some popcorn, watch the movie... and then shoot yourself in the head for wasting your money on this movie when you could be spending it on a beer and slice of pizza...


j/k

[Blackmane]

Originally Posted by rottwylor

j/k

...but your not.

[rottwylor]

Originally Posted by Blackmane

...but your not.

You caught me... I added that for effect

I'll probobly rent this movie when it comes out.. so me and my friends can MST3K it to our hearts content. lol

[Crono]

I'm going to see it with my World Religions class as a field trip.

BTW... the controversy of this move just shows how easily society's opinions can be changed or how they can be offended over something stupid like a movie. IMO, that's kind of sad. Movies and music have too much control over what people do and think.

[Koopa]

Originally Posted by Canyarion

JHWH.
'Jehova' or 'Jahweh'.

well in effect you're right...but not really

the letters in the torah are yud hay vav hay, or yhvh...and i guess it got americanized into jhwh or jhvh..and i think thats how Jehova's witnesses got their name.

but the word is structured in hebrew without any vowels and in a way such that it indicates no gender. so it could be yah way or yehweeh or anything like that

Re: The Passion of Jesus Christ

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Joeiss
Koopa, Jesus was looked upon as a criminal, that is why he was put to death. Prisoners were treated very, very poorly in those times, and it was common to "disrespect" them by abusing them. So, the Jews spat on him, who cares? It was what everybody was doing then.

I also believe that a common practice of putting a criminal to death was a public stoning.

Listen, I fear that all people are doing is getting riled up over nothing. The PUBLIC condemned Christ, according to the bible, and the PUBLIC happened to be jewish as there were only 12 Christians in the whole world at that time.

My feeling is that if you are going to get upset over this
movie, and the movie follows the Bible, then you should also get upset over the Bible. Its far easier to condemn a movie rather than a book of faith, now isn't it?

wow i never thought about it that way. i'm just afraid that moviegoers will not take things in context and not see people stoning a criminal, but jews killing jesus.

of course i don't believe in alot of the stuff in christianity, but i really hope i never implied that i wanted to condemn it. my personal belief is that whatever you want to believe that will make you feel spiritually satisfied, and will compell you to behave well on earth, couldn't be bad....as long as you don't hurt others in the process. the threat of this movie turning a story of sacrifice into a problem for jews is what scares me.


also erm...weren't most of the public "pagan" romans?

hey what is the term for the romans' religion anyway? greekism? romanism..? pagan sounds too negative.

I'm going to see it with my World Religions class as a field trip.

BTW... the controversy of this move just shows how easily society's opinions can be changed or how they can be offended over something stupid like a movie. IMO, that's kind of sad. Movies and music have too much control over what people do and think

movies are today's most popular form of entertainment. a hundred yeras ago when books were one of the most popular ways of spreading ideas, books like Uncle Toms Cabin sparked huge controversy, and noone thinks that that book had"too much control over what people do and think." the pamphlet Common Sense made revolutionaries out of many colonists, but noone thinks its sad that they were incited into discussing the issues.

[Dyne]

Originally Posted by Canyarion

JHWH.
'Jehova' or 'Jahweh'.

Did anyone remember in Bruce Almighty when Bruce signed onto "Yahweh"? I thought that was a pretty good reference.

[Blackmane]

Originally Posted by Dyne

Did anyone remember in Bruce Almighty when Bruce signed onto "Yahweh"? I thought that was a pretty good reference.

I saw that, and I was one of the few in the theater who laughed.

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by Koopa

also erm...weren't most of the public "pagan" romans?

Nope. You have to remember that the Romans were conquerors and government officials. One of the reasons why the Romans were so good at maintaining such a large empire is that they learned to not attempt to impose their religious beliefs on others. Those that were Romans at that time in that area were soldiers, social elite and officials. The general populace was that of the people who lived there before the Romans came, which would be Jewish.