What religion are you?

[Canyarion]

Originally Posted by Crash

It was just time for that man to return to his Father in Heaven, that is all.

Bah, I hate that belief. As if God DOES take lives...

One day God will ressurect the dead, like Jesus did.

Oh well, none of this makes sense if you don't believe in God...

[Typhoid]

Originally Posted by Canyarion

Oh well, none of this makes sense if you don't believe in God...

True. None of it will make sense.


But People are stupid. A person is smart, but collectively people are stupid. One person( religios person) by themselves can think that we are a coincidence of thermal happenings on this planet. But get them together with other religious people and they cave.

Most people just need to add meaning to their small small insignificant lives. They need a higher power. Much like the incas ( or something) worshipped the sun.

Not to semi-quote MIB, but A hundreds and hundreds of years ago people knew Earth was the centre of the universe.
Hundreds of years ago, people knew the earth was flat.
And religious people know there is a god.

To paraphrase George Carlin:

" I dont believe in God, you know why? Because i cant see him. I worship the sun. because I can see it. It gives it that much more credability when i can see it. But i do not pray to the sun, no no no. I pray to Joe Pesci. He seems like the kinda guy who can get things done."


Carlin is my hero.

[CamFu]

Originally Posted by TheSlyMoogle

None of us will win or lose.

So this argument has no point.

Everything depends on how you look at it. Yes, I agree that none of us will win or lose. For the main reason that you can't put your emotion into a post (Smiley's don't count), that is why none of us will win or lose. But I don't agree that this argument has no point. Because you don't think it has a point, doesn't mean there isn't one there.

One big point that I see when religious discussions are made is to see how open minded people are. If somebody doesn't believe in god, I want to see if they are able to open their mind to understand why we believe in God. And if you do believe in God, I want to see if that person can actually see a world without a God.

Ontop of that, you also learn a lot about a person from their beliefs. Believe in God or don't. No matter which one, the desicions that are made in your life are done by beliefs that you hold.

Originally Posted by Typhoid

What kind of god would kill a man who did nothing?

What kind of god would kill a man who loved everyone around him?

What kind of god would kill a man who just wanted love from his mother?

What kind of god would kill a man so slowly and painfully?

I'm going to agree with what Crash, Joeiss, and Canyarion has said, but I'm going to expand on what Crash wrote.

Typhoid, it's good that you are questioning things that are happening around the world, even the things we don't want to see. But I think you are going about it in the wrong way, and please don't take offense to this. How much have you looked into your questions? Have you tried to answer them yourself, or with somebody else? That is what free will is all about. Even though you don't believe in God, I believe he let you make that choice. He even gave you the choice to question him.

One last thing, don't ask questions that you might not like the answers to. Remember, just keep an open mind... if you chose to get the answers to the questions that you asked.

[CamFu]

Originally Posted by Typhoid

Most people just need to add meaning to their small small insignificant lives. They need a higher power. Much like the incas ( or something) worshipped the sun.

I was just waiting for this comment to come up. It has to every time. This comment could be twisted around and pointed toward people that don't believe in a higher power. But I'm not going to do that here, what I am going to say is that people that believe understand that just because something else is out there doesn't make our life any easier. Actually it makes it harder. For everything we do in this life will be judged, and how we are judged will determine how we are going to spend eternity. If you haven't been a good person, that can actually be a pretty scary thought.

Originally Posted by Typhoid

Not to semi-quote MIB, but A hundreds and hundreds of years ago people knew Earth was the centre of the universe.
Hundreds of years ago, people knew the earth was flat.
And religious people know there is a god.

Everything, except whats underlined, is actually past science facts. It wasn't God telling us these things, it was the educated men on the Earth at the time. And who where they to question the geniuses of their time. People have always believed in some higher power.

*edit* alright folks, I'm off to play of BF:V. You are welcome to come and Frag me... if you have xfire and look for shaggymaster. Laters.

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by Typhoid

But People are stupid.

Yes. Yes they are. Thank you for pointing that out... over and over again.

[TheGame]

Originally Posted by Typhoid

I know there is no god.

Proof came to me last night when i heard on the radio they found a severely burned body in Creston.

What kind of god would kill a man who did nothing?

What kind of god would kill a man who loved everyone around him?

What kind of god would kill a man who just wanted love from his mother?

What kind of god would kill a man so slowly and painfully?

Dont tell me there is a god, for i no longer belive in anything.

The punishment for sin is death. If that man was without sin, he wouldn't have died (Which is impossible because thanks to our grandparents and satan we are born in sin.). Nobody is that innocent except Jesus himself, and he died for our sins, not his own. As for god's intentions, he gave us Jesus... that alone tells if he cares or not.

Now, a better question to ask is why do people who never get the chance to know him die. That's a question I can't answer. But I guess if he cares enough to try and save us sinful people, he cares enough to save the people who don't have access to him on the earth. How? *shrug*

[Typhoid]

Originally Posted by The Strangler

Yes. Yes they are. Thank you for pointing that out... over and over again.

I know that you were trying to twist around my words and turn it into an insult on myself, but alas, it did not work.

You see, it would have worked, but it was in the wrong tense.

People means more than one, person means one.

So i dont know how I can represent the stupidity for lots of people.

I can only represent my own. And I think I do that damn well.

[TheGame]

Originally Posted by Typhoid

I know that you were trying to twist around my words and turn it into an insult on myself, but alas, it did not work.

You see, it would have worked, but it was in the wrong tense.

People means more than one, person means one.

So i dont know how I can represent the stupidity for lots of people.

I can only represent my own. And I think I do that damn well.

[Classic Rocker]

What about Satan? I'm interested in why he really rebelled against God. What is the whole story? Thats what I currently research. If anyone has some information please share.

[Typhoid]

I want to know, While the Christians and Catholics have a Hell, why does Judaism not have one?

[TheSlyMoogle]

Originally Posted by TheGame

The punishment for sin is death. If that man was without sin, he wouldn't have died (Which is impossible because thanks to our grandparents and satan we are born in sin.). Nobody is that innocent except Jesus himself, and he died for our sins, not his own. As for god's intentions, he gave us Jesus... that alone tells if he cares or not.

Now, a better question to ask is why do people who never get the chance to know him die. That's a question I can't answer. But I guess if he cares enough to try and save us sinful people, he cares enough to save the people who don't have access to him on the earth. How? *shrug*

That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

"The Punishment for Sin is death."

That's so stupid I don't even want to comment about it.

[Crash]

Originally Posted by Classic Rocker

What about Satan? I'm interested in why he really rebelled against God. What is the whole story? Thats what I currently research. If anyone has some information please share.

there are a couple versions: Satan was becoming very mighty up in heaven and wanted to get some of the glory that God was getting. He wanted to be powerful and take over God's spot to some degree, get worshipers and such, God didn't like that so he had Michael kick ass and take names.

or

Satan was competing with Christ as to who would be the savior of man. Satan said "just let them all be forced to follow God and they'll all be saved". Jesus said "no, we should give them free will and let them decide what they wanna do with their lives" Jesus got the gig and satan was cast out along with 1/3 of the heaven's angels with him.

[Canyarion]

Originally Posted by Typhoid

I want to know, While the Christians and Catholics have a Hell, why does Judaism not have one?

The hell isn't even a biblic term. It probably originated from the Greeks, with their 'hades'. The Catholic church used that to scare people.
It's also based on the illustration of Lazarus and the rich man, the 1st one in heaven, the other one in hell.

The bible teaches that when you die, you're dead. You're nowhere, you don't exist. Until you are ressurected to live on paradise on earth.

Some people are given a life in heaven, they will rule the earth together with Jesus.
But the're no hell where people burn for eternity. How could a loving God do that???

[TheGame]

Originally Posted by TheSlyMoogle

That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

"The Punishment for Sin is death."

That's so stupid I don't even want to comment about it.

Well you did comment, so eh. That is the most basic concept in the bible... heck, it was the first lesson in the old testiment.

Originally Posted by Canyarion

But the're no hell where people burn for eternity. How could a loving God do that???

If you believe in the stories of the bible, God hasn't exactly been nice to people who deny him. He did send us Jesus which is an act of love, but that doesn't mean god himself isn't capible of making a place like hell.

[Canyarion]

He DESTROYED people. They are gone now. With their death, they payed for their sins. No need to burn in hell!