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BreakABone · 12-31-2009, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Bube

Well, at least we're up to 3 people now, if we include BaB, who hasn't done much to support us yet

Oh, and let me fuel the fire - I also hated Titanic

I don't know what you expect

Our side, won't magically be convinced that the movie wasn't more than a tech demo for 3D effects.

And their side won't see it as bland and unoriginal. Prolonging the debate does nothing.

Bube · 01-01-2010, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by BreakABone

I don't know what you expect

Our side, won't magically be convinced that the movie wasn't more than a tech demo for 3D effects.

And their side won't see it as bland and unoriginal. Prolonging the debate does nothing.

I was joking of course

I myself didn't even want to get into a debate, but when asked direct questions, I had to answer them

Angrist · 12-31-2009, 10:40 AM

You hated Titanic, or you think it's overrated? Because I also think it's overrated, but if I see it once every 5 years, I'll still enjoy it.

I'll probably watch Avatar on Saturday or Sunday. I discovered our cinema here shows it in 3D after all.

My brother won't come, he thinks he won't like it.

Bube · 12-31-2009, 12:35 PM

I hated it, and therefore think it's overrated

I don't know, I've always been fascinated by the Titanic, and it's tragic story, but when I saw that it had been turned into a love story, it was another tragedy for me

Angrist · 12-31-2009, 06:32 PM

Don't worry, I'll settle the dispute in a few days.

Bond · 01-05-2010, 12:41 PM

I am seeing this tonight and will offer my opinion.

Bond · 01-06-2010, 01:21 AM

I liked this movie quite a bit, and the 3D was a nice touch, but I don't think it made the movie - the CGI did. Halfway through the movie I forgot it was CGI, I was totally immersed in the world of Avatar, and you know that is when CGI has truly reached its potential.

Avatar's greatest strength was the total immersion into Pandora, but it also created its greatest weakness - the lame, blatant, and unneeded direct allusions to the Iraq War. "Terror with terror." "Shock and awe." Those lines were pathetic - and totally removed me from the immersion of the movie - it brought me away from Pandora and back to Earth.

The meaning of the movie could have been made much more profoundly, in my view, if it were made more subtly.

Typhoid · 01-06-2010, 02:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Bond

Avatar's greatest strength was the total immersion into Pandora, but it also created its greatest weakness - the lame, blatant, and unneeded direct allusions to the Iraq War. "Terror with terror." "Shock and awe." Those lines were pathetic -

In the writers' defense - what would you rather they said? I didn't see it as anything to do with the Iraq war. Fighting terror with terror is a good strategy. And it's the new "Fight fire with fire." And since when does the phrase "Shock and Awe" directly refer to Iraq?

Like I said, if anything - it's more of an allusion to Native Americans than the Iraq War.

Bond · 01-06-2010, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Typhoid

In the writers' defense - what would you rather they said? I didn't see it as anything to do with the Iraq war. Fighting terror with terror is a good strategy. And it's the new "Fight fire with fire." And since when does the phrase "Shock and Awe" directly refer to Iraq?

Like I said, if anything - it's more of an allusion to Native Americans than the Iraq War.

"Shock and awe" is an American military term. From Wikipedia: "The doctrine was written by Harlan K. Ullman and James P. Wade in 1996 and is a product of the National Defense University of the United States." This might be an American thing, but the term is very heavily associated with the Iraq War.

"The battle plan is based on a concept developed at the National Defense University. It's called "Shock and Awe" and it focuses on the psychological destruction of the enemy's will to fight rather than the physical destruction of his military forces."

It's interesting you point out the Native American angle, though, as I saw the movie with one, and he also thought it alluded more to Native Americans than the Iraq War, but I'm not so sure.

Vampyr · 01-06-2010, 08:20 PM

Personally I got more of an anti unregulated capitalism message.

Bond · 01-06-2010, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Vampyr

Personally I got more of an anti unregulated capitalism message.

Got this from the Blackwater allusion?

Angrist · 01-08-2010, 09:14 AM

Related news: I bought 'Dances With Wolves' on DVD.

Together with The Day After Tomorrow and I,Robot.

But I still haven't seen Avatar...

DarkMaster · 01-08-2010, 08:43 PM

So James Cameron stole Disney's Pocahontas story and Disney stole it from real life. James Cameron also stole the story of Titanic from real life. What a guy.

Vampyr · 01-08-2010, 09:27 PM

This just in: Peter Jackson's Lord of the Rings was not an original story.

The Germanator · 01-09-2010, 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by DarkMaster

So James Cameron stole Disney's Pocahontas story and Disney stole it from real life. James Cameron also stole the story of Titanic from real life. What a guy.

And Titantic was a sappy, boring love story and not a that good of a movie. I understand that not much is original these days, but Avatar didn't even surprise me once.

http://www.boingboing.net/2009/12/29...elling-ri.html

Read the above link. If the film had even attempted to do some of those things the story may have been interesting, but it didn't.

I know, I'm sure James Cameron is crying into his $2 billion right now because I didn't like his movies. Terminator was rad though.