LOST Tonight (2/16) - "The Substitute"

Bond · 02-16-2010, 03:56 PM

I'm in the library, no time for a body.

Typhoid · 02-16-2010, 04:15 PM

That's deep, Bond.

Fox 6 · 02-16-2010, 06:21 PM

Oh snap, totally forgot there was LOST tonight, I got caught up in all the Olympic stuff.

Fox 6 · 02-16-2010, 10:58 PM

Love how evil Locke used one of Locke's catch phrases.

Really great episode, put some things into perspective.

Also sheds some light on the whole mysterious numbers.

Teuthida · 02-17-2010, 01:02 AM

Good ep. As soon as he said "don't tell me what I can't do" I had that damn Lost Can Can song stuck in my head for the rest of the show.

Bond · 02-17-2010, 02:12 AM

Hmm... interesting. Not quite sure what to think at the moment.

Bond · 02-17-2010, 02:35 AM

I like this theory:

"If you have followed the Lost ARG's in between season, you know that THE NUMBERS are the VALENZETTI EQUATION. The Valenzetti Equation was discovered by a mathematician named Valenzetti, that accurately predicts the date in which humanity will extinguish itself. In Season's 4 & 5, Daniel Faraday talks a lot of "equations" "variables" and "constants". He says that the Variables are people, ("them" to be more accurately). And now we see The Numbers coinciding with different characters names sketched across a cave wall belonging to Jacob. This is not coincidence. I think we are going to see the Numbers begin to change.

Jacob is trying to bring together a group of people who will exist and save humanity after the end of the world. He has been on the island for so long that he has tried so many combinations of people. The "island" is humanity, and when MIB says to "go home" and screw the island, he is saying to just ascend to heaven and not worry about humans surviving on earth."

Teuthida · 02-17-2010, 12:43 PM

Sounds good aside from the whole heaven part. I read a theory (which was posted as spoilers) that was making so much sense I stopped reading because it felt like I was ruining the show for myself. It kept everything routed in science and had a lot to do with the magnetic core of the island.

Dylflon · 02-17-2010, 09:12 PM

So was everyone on the island a candidate? Or just the people with numbers next to their names? Neil (Frogurt) had his name on there too and he was fairly incidental.

Numbered characters:

4 - Locke
8 - Reyes (Hurley)
15 - Ford (Sawyer)
16 - Jarrah (Sayid)
23 - Sheppard (Jack)
42 - Kwon (either Jin or Sun, probably Jin since Sun's maiden name is Paik)

Edit: On closer inspection, everyone had a number next to their name.

Dylflon · 02-17-2010, 09:32 PM

Other notable names/numbers from Lostpedia for candidates on the ceiling:

31 - Rutherford (Shannon)
55 - Burke (Juliet)
117 - Linus (Ben or Roger...however the name is crossed off)
147 - Lewis (probably Charlotte)
171 - Straume (Miles...name is crossed out)
195 - Pace (Charlie)
226 - Carlyle (Boone)
301 - Mars (US Marshall who dies on island in the first season)
313 - Littleton (Claire or Aaron)
335 - Henderson (Rose's maiden name)
761 - Faraday (Daniel)
??? - Goodspeed (Horace, Olivia or Ethan)
??? - Chang (Pierre Chang/Marvin Candle/Edgar Halliwax...so many pseudonyms)

Fox 6 · 02-18-2010, 12:18 AM

Did anyone notice that kate was not included?

Lost at IGN.com

Teuthida · 02-18-2010, 12:58 AM

Yup, even Jacob thinks Kate is useless.

Then why did he touch her as a child?

Pedo.

Neo · 02-18-2010, 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Teuthida

Sounds good aside from the whole heaven part. I read a theory (which was posted as spoilers) that was making so much sense I stopped reading because it felt like I was ruining the show for myself. It kept everything routed in science and had a lot to do with the magnetic core of the island.

Linky?

Teuthida · 02-18-2010, 11:41 AM

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0411008/.../157473359?p=1

So this explains Jacob and Man in Black in a (pseudo)science context. If you go with this one could assume (thought it was there) that Jacob is positive and MIB is negative (or vice versa) in a magnetic field, balancing each other out, and why one can't directly kill the other. Was thinking perhaps one could from a distance but there's also that kid now who appears to be a referee so who knows. Nothing about all the Egyptian stuff either.

The polar bears make sense...as much sense as they could anyway.

manasecret · 02-18-2010, 12:48 PM

Woah, good episode. I just saw it last night since I was out Mardi Grasing on Tuesday.

Certainly a lot of cool stuff in the regular timeline that you guys have touched on. Bond's theory sounds awesome, but incomplete, and I'm going to read Teuth's.

More notes on the alternate universe:
1. Locke and Helen are still together.
2. Confirmed that Locke did not go on the walkabout as he said to what's-his-face on the plane.
3. VERY INTERESTING one that they just threw in slyly: Helen says that Locke and her family and his dad should get together for their marriage or dinner or some such. Hid dad previously was the one who paralyzed him. WTF?
4. More coincidental running in of characters. Already Jack and Locke, now Locke has run into at least three other characters -- Hugo, Rose, and -- most interestingly I think -- Ben.

The fact that the alternate universe's events seem to coincide with the regular universe's must be a plot device at this point. What's the reason?