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Originally Posted by Aladuf
I classify a non-game as:
Wario Ware
Game Party
Wii Sports
Wii Play
Wii Fit
Carnival Games
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Basically, mini-game collections (edit: games you wouldn't actually sit down and play by yourself), games where you don't actually play (Wii Fit). Shovelware.
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You see your definition is very loose and I don't believe befitting of the term.
The way I see most people define a non-game such as Brain Age or Wii Fit is there are no real goals. You just kind of play the game.
Most of those games have some goal whether it is a high score or beating your friends or unlocking new mini-games.
A mini-game collection doesn't equal a non-game.
And your definition of games you wouldn't sit down and play by yourself is too subjective.
I wouldn't mind playing Wii Sports by myself every now and then. Same deal with Wario Ware (especially since you have to to unlock multiplayer) so I really don't like that definition.
Hell by your definition TF 2 is a non-game as well.
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Originally Posted by DeathsHand
Nintendo fans have always bought Nintendo consoles for Nintendo's offerings... With the Wii, you're still getting those; so from a Nintendo fan's perspective, you have everything you've always loved, only now it's selling like hotcakes...
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I'm not gonna disagree with this statement, but how is playing a Nintendo console for Nintendo games any different than people who bought 360s for Halo 3 or people who buy Ps3 for MGS 4 and GTA IV?
I mean the argument always seems to pop up and just because people buy a console for first party efforts (who would have thunk it) doesn't make it a negative.
Now I know the arguement will lead down the well its the only games they buy category, but that isn't true either. The problem is not many 3rd parties want to put compelling content on the Wii and see if it sells because they have this stigma.
But I will champion several 3rd party efforts on the Wii and I own them like they deserve. Developers need to have confidence in their games being about to sell under any condition.
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As for Game Party/Carnival Games' success, of course there's a chance that someone will actually enjoy it (maybe somewhere along the lines of a 21% chance)... Especially among the new market Nintendo's discovered...
See though, I can't help but feel a bit like a snooty, elitist longtime gamer, but I personally don't want the future of gaming to be made up of by poorly thrown together mini-game compilations...
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That is the same feeling Aladuf shares.
And for some reason the creation of Wii Play and Game Party hasn't stopped stuff like Gears 2 or Prototype or hell even Mad World from being announced. Epic isn't all of sudden turning GoW 2 into Gears Party or Halo Play.
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And from where I'm standing, the only difference between Wii and last generation is the success of that type of game, the mainstream hype, a dryer market of quality third-party titles, and a new controller that, IMO, hasn't quite lived up to the hype as the "future of gaming"...
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I will give you the Wii hasn't lived up to its true potential yet, but there have been many bright lights of hope.
Just need someone to grab hold of it.
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Originally Posted by Aladuf
I would consider them different but most shovelware seems to be mini-games these days so it just seems to be an negative association I have. I'm ignorant towards the Wii, what can I say? My blind hate for the system prevents me from knowing anything past first party games.  |
Well your hatred of Wii shines through all the time, but why are shovelware/non-games a Nintendo-only factor?
I have pointed out there is a ton of crap on the ps3/360 as well, but no one ever wants to call them on that.
No its big bad Nintendo who has nothing but crap on their console. Even though, I personally feel the console has a rather decent library at the moment, you are so intent on focusing on the games you don't like on the console that you won't even give the other ones a chance.
I mean what were the chances of you buying/playing Game Party anyhow? But here is an entire discussion on it.
How was NO More Heroes? How was Okami Wii? How was Medal of Honor Heroes 2?
My point being don't point fingers at the crap and then ignore the quality stuff because it suits your arguement.
Yeah, the Wii has crap. It isn't a new story. And it isn't one that will change anytime soon. They are the most dominant console on the market right now it makes sense for the most crap to go there. You have a better chance of selling it to a wider audience.
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Originally Posted by TheGame
Wow what a huge over reaction lol. Nobody's saying Wii is a failure, people are just saying its different and isn't exactly competing head up with Ps3 or 360. Just like the Tekken arcade machine at the mall is different, and isn't competing head up with the 360 or Ps3. Or like Sony PSP or GBA is different and isn't cometing head up with them.
Nobody's saying Wii failed or its crap, you're just jumping the gun way too hard.
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Justin defending the Wii.
Now I've seen it all.