I saw the matrix-spoilers

Crash · 11-06-2003, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Rndm_Perfection

Well, the way they ended the film, it's still very possible that the "real world" is a part of an elaborate control of the Matrix. If it's not a part of the Matrix, then what is Neo? What explains his powers in the real world, and what would explain the train between the real world. Weren't the programs sending their daughter to the Matrix? ... Wouldn't that mean they were "living" outside the Matrix at one point?

Crash's original plans aren't entirely blown, as there's potential for another sequal that has room to expand on the Architect and Oracle's amazing form of control, the prophecy and dual-matrix.

yep exactly, and i didn't hate the movie, i hate that my questions weren't answered. i loved the movie, and will see it 2-3 more times this november/december. just know that they aren't doing another movie makes me crazy!!!!!! the only reason they kept the matrix alive is so they could keep making more money off it by releasing info bit by bit and milking every dime outta it in the form of books, movies, short flicks and video games... they basically are forcing me to begin playing matrix online when it comes out.... curse them, that is what i hate. (love hate relationship)

lets take a look at themes in the movies... running through all three movies are choice, but mostly in the first one, the second movie is about purpose, and the third movie is about ________? also i did the fact that i dont understand the name of the movie until i watch the movie, who said this, revolutions not as in a revolt (like revolutionary war) but in revolving cycle...

Blackmane · 11-06-2003, 02:11 AM

I thought the movie was good, but I don't understand what the little girl is doing there, she is kinda creepy, and the Oracle said something about her making the funky sunrise at the end.

Also, I know that they had to close it someway, but I think we all wanted another twist that would close it in a radical, complete sort of way instead of "Oh, it starts again."

However, this time Zion is not warring with the machines, so a lot is different. It means that the Zionites don't have to be running from Agents or trying to free minds and stuff.

Also, at the end battle, do all the Smiths everywhere mean that Smith had consumed everyone and every program in the Matrix?

ominub · 11-06-2003, 02:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Blackmane

I thought the movie was good, but I don't understand what the little girl is doing there, she is kinda creepy, and the Oracle said something about her making the funky sunrise at the end.

Also, I know that they had to close it someway, but I think we all wanted another twist that would close it in a radical, complete sort of way instead of "Oh, it starts again."

However, this time Zion is not warring with the machines, so a lot is different. It means that the Zionites don't have to be running from Agents or trying to free minds and stuff.

Also, at the end battle, do all the Smiths everywhere mean that Smith had consumed everyone and every program in the Matrix?

yes smith took over everything thats why the machines went along with neo's deal

Professor S · 11-06-2003, 08:15 AM

I hated hated hated hated hated hated hated hated hatd=ed hated hated hated hated hated hated hated hated this movie. Yes, the incredible special effects and the battle at the docks was great, but other than that it was total garbage, and I mean TOTAL garbage.

How even the Wachowski brothers could watch this movie and feel it was worth putting in theaters blows my mind. It is self-important melodrama in its most ugly form. And the worst part is you get the idea that the brothers actually think that they are making an important film with some sort of meaning while you watch this crap. You want examples? See below:

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1) Trinity Dies - Her death scene is so drawn out and tedious that someone screamed "JUST DIE ALREADY!" in the movie theater and whole theater CLAPPED when she finally died. I mean, we knew nothing about her character, so why should we care?

2) Neo is blinded and scarred, Trinity asks if he is ok, and he says YES... He was just BLINDED and MAULED, but he's just peachy I guess, and then he cracks a joke about Trinity having to drive. This drew some groans from the audience as well.

3) Keanu Reeves - His performance reminded me of an oak tree in the back yard. This man is completely incapable of showing any kind of emotion and yet he is a huge star in Hollywood. Amazing.

4) Nonsense masking as meaning - The Wachowski brothers have become so full of their own s**t that they think that all the tired, overblown crap that they have the Architect and The Oracle spew is actually some of of cryptic geniuos. Its not. Its babbling to make it sound that way. Also, the Oracles whole "when you know it you'll know it" lines got old during the first movie.

***END SPOILER***

This is one of the worst movies I've seen in a very long time. Please do not encourage Hollywood to spend their money on this absolute crap and DO NOT SEE THIS MOVIE.

Rndm_Perfection · 11-06-2003, 09:11 AM

After thinking about it more, I've drawn a new conclusion about the series...

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It is near perfection.

It started as a traditional sci-fi series, introducing new ideas, new effects, and an excellent cast of characters. As it progressed, the end became foggy, and many questions arose. However, in the end, a certain purpose to the series is reveiled, eliminating questions. I think one reason why so many people hate the final film, is because it proved that they didn't know jack **** as to what was going to happen... that is, they didn't foresee it, it's out of expectation compared to their conclusions drawn from the original "feel" of the movie.

The movie is religion. That is, every part of the film has a purpose, it is based on some form of religion. Neo being most likely Jesus, the messiah.

Err, I gotta jet, school... talk more about this later O_o.

mickydaniels · 11-06-2003, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Rndm_Perfection

The movie is religion. That is, every part of the film has a purpose, it is based on some form of religion. Neo being most likely Jesus, the messiah.

Err, I gotta jet, school... talk more about this later O_o.

After the first movie, I was almost thinking the same thing, along with that same old crap about computers controlling us.
I haven't seen any sequels because I thought the first was so crappy, but you may have a point with Neo being the Messiah.
Neo gets betrayed by one of his guys, like a Judas Iscariot, he's supposed to be a savior, in the first movie he has to be 'reborn' (baptism or being born again), Zion is such an important city. Plus I hear there's the Mark III No. 11 written on their ship. It says, "Whenever the unclean spirits saw him, they fell down before him and said, 'You are the son of God!'"

I could probably say more if I saw the latter films...
I hear there's also some Buddhist stuff, but I dunno..................

Professor S · 11-06-2003, 11:57 AM

The Wachowski brothers were never subtle about using Neo as a Chirst figure. That was obvious from the first movie. Just because they beat you over the head with metaphor does not make this a good movie series.

Also saying that people did not like it simply because they didn't know what was going to happen is silly. A good movie SHOULDN'T let you know what was going to happen. I didn't like the movie because after the second installment I no longer CARED what was going to happen, for the following reason:

1) Poor character development. We're told that Neo and Trinity love one another, yet there was about as much heat between them as there is in the center of a snowball. Also, what do we even know about Trinity?

2) Poor acting. Keanu Reeves is completely incapable of showing any kind of emotion. Thank God for Hugo Weaving's wonderfully over the top Agent Smith. He carries Keanu to s few tolerable scenes.

3) Horrendous Dialogue. Too many examples to show here. A main reason for the poor character devlopment. It was all plot with no story, and there is a difference.

4) Redundancy - They LOVE columns in rooms, and love blowing them up even more. It got old in the first one.

and the biigest flaw...

5) Pseudo Intellectualism. I found the exposition to be more tedious than enlightening. This was an excercise the Wachowski brother's intellectual ego's, and not actually intellectual.

The plot was good, but the execution of that plot was beyond bad.

Morpheus1 · 11-06-2003, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Crash

lets take a look at themes in the movies... running through all three movies are choice, but mostly in the first one, the second movie is about purpose, and the third movie is about ________? also i did the fact that i dont understand the name of the movie until i watch the movie, who said this, revolutions not as in a revolt (like revolutionary war) but in revolving cycle...

Matrix= Cause and effect
Matrix Reloaded= Conflict of cause and effect vs choice
Matrix Revolutions= Choice

The first movie could have been interpreted as choice before we saw the second two movies, but Reloaded reveals that they never had a choice and they were just following the Machine's and Program's orders.

Crash · 11-06-2003, 01:12 PM

what was obvious to me was that neo didn't love trinity nearly as much as trinity loved neo... whats up with that? killing trinity was the stupidest this that could have happened in the movie. well not as stupid as killing neo with no explanation. but how clear is it that he actually dies? not real clear.

Morpheus1 · 11-06-2003, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Crash

what was obvious to me was that neo didn't love trinity nearly as much as trinity loved neo... whats up with that? killing trinity was the stupidest this that could have happened in the movie. well not as stupid as killing neo with no explanation. but how clear is it that he actually dies? not real clear.

The Oracle says that they may see Neo again, one day. The Year is around 2699 in the movie (if the cycle of Zion lasted 100 years each). The technology could be there. They should not revive him because he doesn't have much to live for any more. Trinity and Neo's love is completly even. Remember the decision he made at the end of Reloaded? He picked saving Trinity over saving the human race. In other words, he picked to kill everybody inside and outside of the matrix just to save his girl who is going to die either way within the next 24 hours. You talk about being blinded by love, sheesh.

GiMpY-wAnNaBe · 11-06-2003, 04:49 PM

i can honestly say i am a real fan of this series, or rather i was, until i saw this movie.... i disagree with the people who say that the second is the worst, i think that this one surpasses it's flaws by far. NOT ONLY did it leave a million questions unanswered, but it also poses new ones, and just about kills any possible REAL imaginative story line. After all this surreal bulls**t, where he wakes up and its not real, where he doesn't know whats going on, where nothing happens as he expects(the architect), after all that, they let the FINALE go as unimaginative as possible. i mean honestly, who here who saw it can say that they weren't waiting, or even HOPING for an end that makes you go "HOLY S**T!!!!". i know i was...and then it ends with everyone being happy and a temporary peace, and i did go "HOLY S**T", but for the completely wrong reason!!!! Not only that but for example why was light coming out of neo's eyes and mouth in the real world when he killed smith??? they built me up SO much in the second with the introduction of the exile programs and different sides of characters, and then they smash you right down when all they do in the third is give you exactly what your expecting on a silver platter. people DON'T WANT THAT!!! people want a movie that will make them go WOW when they leave the theatre, something that they can talk about on the way home in the car. All this movie did was keep you complaining on the ways it didn't make sense. Like i said, i WAS a fan of the matrix series, but i have seriously reconsidered it now that i've seen the crap they've made it into.

Morpheus1 · 11-06-2003, 05:31 PM

I wish that both movies were released as one 5hr Movie. They had given us too much time to hype up and build up what the second half of the movie was going to be. Maybe there could have been an intermission after reloaded, or they could have released both movies at the same time and let people decide when they want to see the second half in their own time. Either way, they had given us enough time, and a revealing enough trailer to spoil Revolutions.

We have to look at it for what it is, simply a good movie. If you would have seen it all from beginning to end without enough time to predict what was going to happen next, Revolutions would be the best part of the movie. Predictable or not, it had me on the edge of my seat more than Reloaded and the first Matrix combined. Revolutions is the king of unforgettable parts too. Can't get mad at the movie for not being what you wanted it to be, in the end it is just a good movie.