I saw the matrix-spoilers

Blackmane · 11-11-2003, 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Canyarion

*decides to see the Animatrix and play the game*

Ok the trainman is more important than I thought. It gives a new dimension to the tale, but it lacks the 'wow'-factor that we got in TM and TM Reloaded.
So if programs can go outside the matrix, what form would they take? A machine? Probably, as Agent Smith also stated that he wanted to get out of the Matrix.

Why do you think Smith was destroyed? I've heard a few theories:

Because Neo is Smith's counterpart, the balance eachother. Once Neo is gone, Smith dissapears.
The purpose of Smith was to destroy Neo. After he did that, he self-deletes (seems unlikely because they talk about Smith destroying both worlds and stuff)
Once Neo is taken over, the machine upload an antivirus into Smith. Why they couldn't do that with a normal plugged in person... perhaps they had to upload it to the strongest one.

The first 2 seem a bit uncredible, because then Neo wouldn't have had to fight at all... You also see some kind of flux going through Neo's body..

Hehe, the more I think about it, the more I like it. ^^

I think that the reason Smith died when he took over Neo was because of how they were related. Smith had a part of Neo in him the whole time. That is why he was Neo's opposite and why he became so powerful. Once he was able to take over Neo, Neo had a part of Smith in him. I think that somehow, Neo was able to take a little bit of control of every Smith through himself and self-delete his code since he was now integrated into Smith.

That would explain why it had to be Neo that would stop him, but it still doesn't quite make sense why he had to fight. He could have just given in and then killed him. Perhaps he had to show persistance in order to maintain some control of himself in order to delete Smith, or else he would have been permanently controled and Smith would have won.

Also, in Mythology, who is the guy who leads people to hell? I think that person is equivalent to the Trainman. The Merovingian may be equivalent to Satan, and thats why he controls the trainman.

Rndm_Perfection · 11-11-2003, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Blackmane

That would explain why it had to be Neo that would stop him, but it still doesn't quite make sense why he had to fight. He could have just given in and then killed him. Perhaps he had to show persistance in order to maintain some control of himself in order to delete Smith, or else he would have been permanently controled and Smith would have won.

I think Neo fought because he wasn't quite sure he had the ability to mess with Smith from the inside. Then again... I wonder how he thought it was possible to beat all of the Smiths one-by-one (Even if the first, the Oracle, was the strongest) in hand-to-hand combat.

TheGame · 11-12-2003, 01:31 AM

By Neo just giving in to Smith Smith could have predicted that this whole fight was a trick. Oracle let Smith see what she wanted him to see to lure him into fighting Neo.

It would be nice if the game (Matrix Online) answers some questions like Enter the Matrix did.

Morpheus1 · 11-12-2003, 12:57 PM

http://episode81.blogspot.com/#the_one

Stonecutter · 11-16-2003, 10:27 PM

Anyone ever notice that NOTHING EVER HAPPENS IN ANY OF THE FIGHTS!!!!!!!!

No one ever "wins" a battle. There's 90 billion sentinals, how many did the Zionists kill? Was there ever a chance of them killing all of them?

And in reloaded, did any of the Agent Smiths die? they just keep coming, why did Neo even have to fight them at all if he was just going to fly away?

When I actually sit and watch the movies, I love them, because actually being infront of the screen I can turn my brain off, but when I sit back and think about them, they all go to hell.

I've got to say, the part were Neo punches Smith at the very end, and you see the imprint of his fist on his face, that might be the coolest special effect I've ever seen.

DeathsHand · 11-16-2003, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Stonecutter

I've got to say, the part were Neo punches Smith at the very end, and you see the imprint of his fist on his face, that might be the coolest special effect I've ever seen.

I think that was the part of the movie that made me laugh the most...

Stonecutter · 11-17-2003, 03:29 AM

Oh, well, I agree that it's completly over the top and corny (to the point where it's almost as if the movie is parodying itself) I still was impressed by the effect.

Morpheus1 · 11-17-2003, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DeathsHand

I think that was the part of the movie that made me laugh the most...

me too

The Duggler · 11-17-2003, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Stonecutter

No one ever "wins" a battle. There's 90 billion sentinals, how many did the Zionists kill? Was there ever a chance of them killing all of them?

There was about 250 000 sentinels and no, the humans didn't have a chance. If it wasn't for Neo and the deal he made with the machines, the sentinels would have wiped them all out.

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And in reloaded, did any of the Agent Smiths die? they just keep coming, why did Neo even have to fight them at all if he was just going to fly away?

We'll he didn't know how many there was in the beginning and was probably curious to understand what was happening, when there was too many smith to fight, he just escaped.

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When I actually sit and watch the movies, I love them, because actually being infront of the screen I can turn my brain off, but when I sit back and think about them, they all go to hell.

Maybe because you don't understand? Anyways it makes perfect sense to me. (maybe not 100%, but a good 95%)