What's eating at Nintendo?

Canyarion · 11-14-2003, 06:01 PM

Yeah I also think that you can compare N64-GCN to NES-SNES. Oddly, I enjoy the SNES a lot more than the NES. Basicly bacause of the horrible graphics, the limited button layout and the simple games. SNES had SO much more.

The funny thing is, I have A LOT of Cube games. Almost as many as I have N64...
But ALL my N64 games are SUPER. And I'm talking games like 1080, Excitebike 64, and more.

Most of my Cube games didn't keep me entertained for more than a few weeks.
Most games weren't more than polished versions of what we saw in the last generation... that's the problem, not enough innovation.

TheGame · 11-14-2003, 10:41 PM

"I think a large part of the "letdown" with the Cube is that Nintendo stuck with more of the same with a lot of little different. "

Exactly.

*shoots self in head for agreeing with BAB*

Darn, I missed

Anyway, I think if Ninitendo was going to play off of the success of N64, they should wave went all out kinda like Sony did with Ps2. I think Gamecube changed a lot in the wrong areas, and stayed the same in the wrong areas.

For Example:
Like BAB brought up, Zelda. The original OoT got some of the best scores of all time, and MM was right on it's booty. This is an example of a successful product that Nintendo shouldn't have screwed with.

Then there is Mario Sunshine. This isn't a bad game by any means, but people's expectations were set with a true sequal of Mario 64 and because it wasn't that it hurt the sales. (Plus the fruity commercial)

Another game that could have stuck around is Perfect Dark... and they probably could have asked THQ to keep their best selling third party game the same. Notice that I'm mentioning games that could have evolved even with the same gameplay system or general look. Would it be that hard for Nintendo to make a realistic looking Zelda game with a different story? They cold even have taken WW's story with realistic graphics and I'm sure that it would have been a general bigger sucess.

Xantar, if you don't own a cube there is no way you can make such a judgment. Some of us here spilled $100-$200 beans on the system and have purchased a ton of games for it.

I remember when bringing home a game for my Nintendo 64 was somthing special, getting games for gamecube is just fustrating. Also, what do you mean side by side Gamecube is better? If Gamecube had the same games it has now with dumbed down graphics and was released in 96 I would like N64 more, and if N64 had the same games remade with this generation's level of graphics I would still like N64 more.

Nintendo was the king of innovation, now they are scared to try somthing new unless it's on a game franchise they know will sell... and those changes ended up dissapointing more people than it impressed.

+Rep to the smart n00bs

Morpheus1 · 11-17-2003, 11:52 AM

N64 is a special system. Gamecube's lineup in general is better, but Gamecube has very few original games. N64 was a work of art. It had a lot of original titles and 2 games that can't possibly be left off of any 'top ten games of all time' list. Gamecube doesn't have an exclusive game that cracks the top 20, or an original game that can crack the top 50 imo.

Yoda9864 · 11-17-2003, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Morpheus1

N64 is a special system. Gamecube's lineup in general is better, but Gamecube has very few original games. N64 was a work of art. It had a lot of original titles and 2 games that can't possibly be left off of any 'top ten games of all time' list. Gamecube doesn't have an exclusive game that cracks the top 20, or an original game that can crack the top 50 imo.

IMO, it's hard to compare the N64 with GC. The N64 was jumping from 2d graphics to 3d graphics. Of course games are going to be revolutionary.

But now the GC is jumping from 3d to ..... more 3d. It's harder to create a game that creates that "wow" factor simply because it's all been done before. (well, not 'all', but you get the point)

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to make an excuse for Nintendo, I'm just saying that it's a little harder to create those "wow" games in this generation (both for the PS2 and the Gamecube). And I think that, oh sh!t I gotta go to class, lol.

Blackmane · 11-18-2003, 12:45 AM

Holy crap, I guess Nintendo has to go 4-D now to satisfy whiney consumers about lack of innovation.

That's the only way to be as innovative as 2D--->3D, right?

Geez, people got the Gamecube expecting revolutions comparable to those great times where all games were opened up to a new freedom of gameplay. We may not ever have another gaming revolution like that in gaming future (until virtual reality

) I love the games I have for Gamecube, but I understand that getting the same feeling from Mario Sunshine as I did from Mario 64, the first 3D game I ever played, is nigh impossible.

Clone_GCC · 12-04-2003, 07:38 PM

you know what the problem is?

nintendo served you some of the greatest games ever for its GENERATION so it could get a bigger fan base.
This time around Nintendo still offers you incredible games with great innovations and outstanding 3d graphics which undoubtably surpase the n64 in almost every way.

But the only reason you cant realise this is because your expectations are way too high. maybe its because of all the nintendo vs sony arguements back in the day which lead you to beleive that nintendo is some godly company which will surpass all its rivals.
Maybe thats because you were all alot mre younger wen the n64 was released and it clouded the fact that Nintendo is just another NORMAL company in compitition with 2 other NORMAL companies.

Nintendo is just like sony, they have a console with games which they plan to sell, they are just a company there is no "nintendo magic", just good games and if people cant realise this because they're heads are still up in the clouds since they were kids. Then maybe you wont realise that nintendo is just another company trying to sell there console and this fact is even more evident this generation when Nintendo is up against 2 other companies.

All new games! but they are just the same quality as you could find on another console, just like the n64.
Im not complaining, i love nintendo and there games but some people are way too hng up on the idea that nintendo is a godly company with "ninetdno magic" that'll make any 1st party game incredible. Dream on.

I hope that makes sense

Jonbo298 · 12-04-2003, 08:05 PM

2 normal companies Ninty is competing with?! 1 company is a monopoly and the other has the stranglehold on the electronics and console hardware business. I'm not ranting or anything, but just pointing out something "off/odd" I saw.

DeathsHand · 12-04-2003, 08:05 PM

This stranger is right...

Nintendo is just a game company... They make good games, but there is no 'Nintendo Magic'... You guys gotta just get over all this hype and nostalgia and see Nintendo for what it really is... Not as a magical company that is destined to turn out hit after hit after hit, but as a company that's gone downhill since SNES...

But not really downhill, since the quality of their games has always been the same... Because it's not possible for a company to really go downhill...

rottwylor · 01-06-2004, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Clone_GCC

All new games! but they are just the same quality as you could find on another console, just like the n64.
Im not complaining, i love nintendo and there games but some people are way too hng up on the idea that nintendo is a godly company with "ninetdno magic" that'll make any 1st party game incredible. Dream on.

I agree, I think a lot of the issues stem from the fact that we are constantly wanting bigger and better. I love my gamecube more than my N64.. and I loved my N64 more than my SNES..and SNES more than NES... I think the games I have purchased for the GC are far more superior than N64 and more enjoyable visualy.... ok.. my a.d.d. just kicked in and I forgot where I was going with this. I just know I agree with the above quote...