*Confirmed* N5 Backwards Compatible

[Canyarion]

I've worked for GC Network. :eek: WhiteStar set it up. It's a terrible site!!

[gekko]

Oh ya, and if this thing is indeed backwards compatible, Nintendo is stupid. It was a stupid idea before PS2 came out, and it proved to be a stupid idea after PS2 was released. Why copy it?

I know Xbox won't do it, since some saves cannot be copied off the HD without illegal devices. And although it's possible to create something to move your saves, it's too complicated to the common consumer, so it just won't happen.

Now, let's see if Nintendo makes a smart decision.

[Jonbo298]

Its better to backward compatible things now then it was 5 years ago because graphics aren't going to have the big jump we saw from the PSX/N64 to the PS2/GC/XB. But if Ninty can throw it in without losing too much money, go ahead. The "mainstream" consumer buys things because of the extra's that it has.

[Jason1]

I dont see why it wouldnt be backwards compatible...I mean, its really not a big deal to me, but I dont see why it wouldnt be compatible with Cube games at least.

[Null]

Originally Posted by gekko

Oh ya, and if this thing is indeed backwards compatible, Nintendo is stupid. It was a stupid idea before PS2 came out, and it proved to be a stupid idea after PS2 was released. Why copy it?

I know Xbox won't do it, since some saves cannot be copied off the HD without illegal devices. And although it's possible to create something to move your saves, it's too complicated to the common consumer, so it just won't happen.

Now, let's see if Nintendo makes a smart decision.

smart decision would be to do it. they need it. I got 10 that says Xbox 2 will do it.
People wont give a flyin flip if they can get thier saves off, it would mean they already have an Xbox and wouldnt need the backwards compatibility. So its not meant for them. It would be a feature that would draw more people because everyone who didnt have an xbox, gc, ps2, could play the games they always wanted to for cheap without bying the old system.

only downside for MS and Nintendo would be the controller issue because im betting both would like to change certain things on thier controllers.

it was a great thing for PS2, and one of its selling features. ppl who had a PSX could get rid of it and still keep the games. ppl who didnt could have a chance to play em. Plus the graphics are getting to a point where its not a huge downstep anymore to be playin the older systems graphics.

[gekko]

No one does that though. If you have money, you already own the original system. If you're short on money, and you have $50, you're going to buy a new game, not a game that came out 3 years ago that you missed. It's only a good idea on paper, no one actually does that.

The only thing backwards compatibility is good for is saving space on your shelf. And even that idea is shot when PS2 has issues with some games, and with Xbox you can't move saves.

Backwards compatibility was one of the failed ideas of this generation. Don't expect to see it come up again.

[Jason1]

But it works with the Gameboy...

[Ginkasa]

But what about people who have to sell their old consoles to help pay for the new? I'm sure they would rather be able to do that and still play their old favorites along with their new ones.

Is there a site somewhere or something that gives proof as to whether backwards compatibility was a success or failure? It seems it would be better to have proof of it rather than just both sides of the deabte spouting off arguments with nothing to back them up...

*shrugs and walks away*

[Null]

Originally Posted by gekko

No one does that though. If you have money, you already own the original system. If you're short on money, and you have $50, you're going to buy a new game, not a game that came out 3 years ago that you missed. It's only a good idea on paper, no one actually does that.

The only thing backwards compatibility is good for is saving space on your shelf. And even that idea is shot when PS2 has issues with some games, and with Xbox you can't move saves.

Backwards compatibility was one of the failed ideas of this generation. Don't expect to see it come up again.

ppl do tho. i know you dont. personally i dont. However i do use the backwards compatiblity, after i got My PS2, i gave my Playstation to my young cousin whos parents wont let him go out and spend the money on game systems.
And i will do the same, giving him the PS2 once i get my PS3.

i've seen message boards of ppl who love it that get to go out and buy old games. yes if you have $50, you can go out and buy a new game. However some see it as they have $50, they can go out and buy 5 older games. Its all about choice, people LOVE the idea of freedom, and being able to do something if they wish. This helps in sales whether they use it or not.

If its going to jack up the system price a whole lot it might not be worth it. but if its a simple thing, hell thro it in. thoes things on paper really help when ppl are deciding what to buy. PS2, able to play DVD's and PSX games. you dont think both thoes helped? doesnt matter if they're overly used, they were an easy way to help it out at start. Thats a good thing for them.

[One Winged Angel]

Backward compatibility is genius. I never owned a PS and now that I own my PS2, I've been enjoying PS games along with my PS2. I don't how you can say it's a bad idea.

[Cyrax9]

Ok, the souce may be sketchy as far as Cube Europe goes, but let's say it's right for once.

Why the hell WOULDN'T you want Bakcwards compatibility?!?! The GBC had it, the GBA had it it WORKED and I admit I porbably wouldn't be so keen on new systems if they DIDN'T have it and I knwo peope who bought a PS2 ad sold the PSX because they had games they still wanted to play adn a way to play it. I know people who BOUGHT PS's and wound up BVUYING PSX games they missed so as well qas it works on paper, it also ahs to work in real life, besides anyone who thinks SOny would be as far ahead as they are now without Backwards Compatibility needs to ut the crackpipe down, BC is what's letting SOny pound Nintendo more than anything, geko I'm surpise dyou're one of the poeple NOT agreeing! :eek:


As far as BC goes on Nintendo consoles, think back to the name SUPER NES.l DOes anybody know the REAL REASON Nintendo didn't give this some flashuy name but took the same term of "NES" and slapped the word SUPER in front of it? Time for some enlightement. Yamauchi WANTED BC on the SNES, he WANTED the SNES to PLAY NES GAMES!! Problem: Thye cost was outrageous! $500 USD for that new SNES or Super Famicom in Japan would've sent Nintendo the way of 3DO (WTF is a 3DO anyway we still don't know?) Atari and all the other dismal failures. Yamauchi was RUITHLESSS (What else is new?) about this and did EVERYTING he could THINKO F to make the SNES BC with the NES right to the point of figring people just for stating 'It's not doable" beofre he realized he awas fighitng a loosing war. He then went with the enw non-BC cartridges for the SNES and again, for the N64 which hit the same price tag snag!

We aren't dealing with "Cartsd" anymoe guys, we're using DIsc's, just like Sony and M$. The "It's too expensive" BS Excuse isn't going to fly on the N5, not unless the Big "N" wants to be looking at Chapter 11. The reason the GCN wasn't BC was also due to the stupid cartridge syndrome (SCS) that Yamauchi created. Because the N64 had SCS and Yamauchi woldn't sue OPticxla Tecnology, he shot his own foot and le SOny get away with the whoel CD-ROM deal. Then, to make maters worse after he'd ruined the N64s sales ther wasa an SCS hangover on the Gamecube, because the cartridge slot for an N64 cart on the GCN would've jacked up the cost to an insanely high $300, ABOVE Sony and M$'s prices! Now wehave Optical Disc's we;'ll ahve Opticla Disc's again and BC is going to be aprt of the PS3 and Nintendo knows this, 100 says they'll follow suit, ditto for Microsoft although I'd make it more arund the lines of 50 there.

My only problem wit BC is "That dman GC Controller" as we all know it. The XBox has a giant clucky POS for a controlelr, the PS2 astle the designf rom the SNES, and the GCN st9ole it back and used funky shaped buttons that are a paint to figure out. If Nintendo can design a SIMILAR controller, just a litlte bit LARGER, namely something that doesn'thave my hands pressed intoa sandwhich while playing gams, enlarge the D-Pad and oh, GIVE the D-PAD some PADDING (Thing is so hard it's annoying) It'd be fine, I wouldn't mind if they tok a note form Sony and swapped the location of the Stick and the pad either, because I wuld rather use the Pad over the stick when possible any day.

The N5 controler, if they do anything aside form what was mentioned above, should be fixing the whacky buttons and making them all round a la SNES and using dual "L" and "R" butons a la PS1/PS2, as well as making the controller all Analog a la PS2, a SELECT button wouldn't hurt either for ports of old gamnes, heck, "Z" could dou8ble as SELECT! I mean I like the GCN alot but the controlelr is one of my least favorites, the SNES had the best controlelr for the BIg N on a console, let's use it's general design again like they ddi for the GCN and jsut rework the few "problem areas" of the thing. I mean, the GCN contorller is far beter than the N64's three-handed man design, but it's nowhere near as good as the SNES/PS2 designs Nintendo needs ot stop looking at M$'s controlers adn start loking at Sony's, now, who wants to take best on whether or not Nitnendo and Microsoft will continue the war for the "
Worst Controlelr ever!" award or whether Nitnendo will frrealize how to make the GCN controller a litlte bit beter?

I'm think BC is great, I'm thinkng the controller needs an overhaul though.

[Vampyr]

Originally Posted by Gekko

I just hope Sony doesn't listen to it's fans, because if they do, my god, you'll probably hear me praising Microsoft.

If Im not mistaken, thats one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. Funny, I thought that pleasing the customer is what a buisiness is all about? If practically everyone wants the controller to be like it is, and practically everyone wants backwards compatibility, then why would Sony deny them that???

Null is right. Its A LOT better than nintendo, doing to their systems what they want the customer to want.

NOT listening to their fans is really stupid. Its absurd. Give the people what they want. Why would they do otherwise?

[gekko]

Null, PC controllers don't make it a copied design. PC replicates designs. If that's the case, why don't you start counting 3rd party controllers as well?

And Sony's fans are dense and naive. If Sony listens to their fans I'll be buying my 3rd PSX. Whoopie. Go Xbox.