The Passion of Jesus Christ

rottwylor · 01-29-2004, 04:55 PM

I believe that, originally, religion was more of a spirituality thing and was very necessary for the growth of man and civilization. That I agree with (also science too). It inspired people to have morals and (with Hell as a punishment) develope a concious. Unfortunately, I also believe that over time, church and religion became (to a point) pretty corrupt, and abusive of the power they had over followers. Religion became a trojan horse in politics, causing religious wars, sado-masochistic laws, witch hunts, etc. I don't really believe the bible is the word of God (although I believe in a God), but more to do with stories and ("news") articles that teach people to lead a better life, and full of stories to inspire and give us something to believe in. It bothers me that people pick and choose what parts to follow, and then taylor it to fit thier needs. If there is one lesson to learn from the bible, its: Love your neighbor and treat people how you want to be treated. In regards to the movie...I MIGHT rent it eventually... however, no matter how many times you rehash the story.. it's still the same, and I know the ending....also, Mel Gibson sucks

TheGame · 01-29-2004, 05:40 PM

rottwylor has a point... in his last post. Cept this part:

"I also believe that over time, church and religion became (to a point) pretty corrupt, and abusive of the power they had over followers. Religion became a trojan horse in politics, causing religious wars, sado-masochistic laws, witch hunts, etc."

You can't blame the book for man's tendancies just because man used it as justification... If you are a true christian you follow the words of Jesus, and if everybody honestly in there heart was trying to be like Jesus and followed his teachings no voilence would be justified.

The old testiment is good, but it's teachings as far as morals are irrelevant. One voice in the bible is important, and that who Christians are supposed to model themselves after. If his words have been edited, it would have had to be edited an AWFUL lot to justify violence.

rottwylor · 01-29-2004, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGame

You can't blame the book for man's tendancies just because man used it as justification... If you are a true christian you follow the words of Jesus, and if everybody honestly in there heart was trying to be like Jesus and followed his teachings no voilence would be justified.

The old testiment is good, but it's teachings as far as morals are irrelevant. One voice in the bible is important, and that who Christians are supposed to model themselves after. If his words have been edited, it would have had to be edited an AWFUL lot to justify violence.

I honestly don't know if you understood me or not. I wasn't blaming the bible.. I was putting blame on religion and church, who happen to use the bible. And back then, people were so afraid of being heathens and blamed for heresy, that they would have gone to war in the name of God and the bible. No one wanted to go against church and state when it came to religion, and if you did...watch your back. For the matter of words being edited out of the bible.. I don't think it was a matter of being edited. The bible was hand written for centuries, the printed press only came to be a couple hundred years ago. So when you take a book.. rewrite it by hand ( LONG ASS BOOK AT THAT)... and then have to make copies by hand... and do it again... and again... and again... for YEARS... some things tend to get lost. It's like that game where you get a group of people in a circle, and one person whispers a phrase in the persons ear next to him, and when it gets back, the phrase is somewhat skewed. Also, man is a biased creature and likes to cut corners. I think for all intents and purposes, the bible is a postive thing. I just don't think it's being used right. As far as true christians? DON'T get me started on that..ANYWAY... this is about the movie that I won't see... so enough serious talk. WHO WANTS TO SEE ALIEN V. PREDATOR!!!

Professor S · 01-29-2004, 06:15 PM

Alien vs Predator would rock.

rottwylor · 01-29-2004, 06:26 PM

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Alien vs Predator would rock.

I wonder if that will come to gamecube...

The Germanator · 01-29-2004, 07:45 PM

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0370263/

During an archaeological expedition in Antartica, a team of scientists and archaeologists find themselves caught up in a battle between a hive of aliens and five teenage predators. Soon, the team realise that only one species can win

Holy ****, five teenage Predators, that sounds incredible.

jeepnut · 01-29-2004, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by rottwylor

I honestly don't know if you understood me or not. I wasn't blaming the bible.. I was putting blame on religion and church, who happen to use the bible. And back then, people were so afraid of being heathens and blamed for heresy, that they would have gone to war in the name of God and the bible. No one wanted to go against church and state when it came to religion, and if you did...watch your back. For the matter of words being edited out of the bible.. I don't think it was a matter of being edited. The bible was hand written for centuries, the printed press only came to be a couple hundred years ago. So when you take a book.. rewrite it by hand ( LONG ASS BOOK AT THAT)... and then have to make copies by hand... and do it again... and again... and again... for YEARS... some things tend to get lost. It's like that game where you get a group of people in a circle, and one person whispers a phrase in the persons ear next to him, and when it gets back, the phrase is somewhat skewed. Also, man is a biased creature and likes to cut corners. I think for all intents and purposes, the bible is a postive thing. I just don't think it's being used right. As far as true christians? DON'T get me started on that..ANYWAY... this is about the movie that I won't see... so enough serious talk. WHO WANTS TO SEE ALIEN V. PREDATOR!!!

People back then were different than they are today. They didn't cut corners. These were sacred scriptures which they knew by memory, down to the last word. (You would too after copying them so many times.) Thus, they were able to check themselves. They wouldn't have alowed errors because they would have been ashamed to. The Bible has remained surprisingly accurate. Much more so than you give it credit for.

rottwylor · 01-29-2004, 09:29 PM

man is flawed today.. he was yesterday... and he will be today. unfortunately through the many different translations the bible went through from different languages (aramaic), there will be a loss in translation. It's a given, some languages don't have the same words that another language has, and will then have to compensate... then it gets translated again...and the same thing happens. I doubt that the people translating and transcribing the bible were flawless in doing so. Since we can't go back in time to check thier personal demons and integrity, we can't assume that they wouldn't allow any errors. So are opinions stay the same.. =)

Koopa · 02-01-2004, 02:01 PM

Here's the problem with the movie from what I've heard.

First of all, it was ONE jew who betrayed jesus, one of his apostles.

secondly, it was the ROMANS who killed jesus, not the jews

thirdly, only one out of the multiple gospels blames the jews for the death of jesus. in the 60's or 70s the Vatican 2 renounced its policy of blaming the jews for jesus' death. mel gibson's extremist point of view ignores this step forward and continues to blame jews.

from what i've heard, the movie has jews spitting on jesus, and has one jew actually punch him in the face.

fourthly, the movie was condemned by the Anti-defamation league as being anti-semetic

at a time when there's enough anti-semetism in the world as it is, with no sign of it decreasing, this movie is the last thing the world needs.

fifthly, apparently gibson associates some sickly, evil looking character symbolizing satan with the jews throught the movie.

mel gibson will not get a cent of my money, and the only way i will see this film is if i pirate it online.

DimHalo · 02-01-2004, 02:47 PM

you make an interesting point koopa... if all that is true, i'm sorrry to hear it... but i'll probably still see it

fingersman · 02-03-2004, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Koopa

Here's the problem with the movie from what I've heard.

First of all, it was ONE jew who betrayed jesus, one of his apostles.

I don't see a prob there, Judas betrayed Jesus.

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Originally Posted by Koopa

secondly, it was the ROMANS who killed jesus, not the jews

Well again I don't see the problem there, the Jews did want to kill Jesus but it's the Roman soldiers that actually carried out the execution

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Originally Posted by Koopa

thirdly, only one out of the multiple gospels blames the jews for the death of jesus. in the 60's or 70s the Vatican 2 renounced its policy of blaming the jews for jesus' death. mel gibson's extremist point of view ignores this step forward and continues to blame jews.

from what i've heard, the movie has jews spitting on jesus, and has one jew actually punch him in the face.

Well I wouldn't really say Mel Gibson is blaming anyone (atleast I would hope not) but no one can deny that the Jews played a major part Jesus's death, this is a fact.

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fifthly, apparently gibson associates some sickly, evil looking character symbolizing satan with the jews throught the movie.

Well again I don't have a problem with this either, I don't know if you ever read the new testament, you'd would realise that the leaders of the religion laws and pratice were very ungodly, and if your not of God then obviously............

I don't know if you read your Bible or not but read the first 5 books in the new testament and then make your own judgement based on what you read and let that be the determinant of if you watch the movie or not.