US Media Makes Me Ill

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by Nitram

Hehehe you're funny Strangler. Must I remind you that your country invaded them? Hence the outrages when your coutry **** up.

Yes it's wrong to be on the far left, but it's not better being on the far right like you.

Yes, we invaded them and removed a regime that slaughtered 1.5 million of its own people, raped whomever they felt like and basically ran a country based on fear. Our citizens who are non-combatants are being taken hostage and killed and it gets cursory media attention. Meanwhile Iraqi PRISONERS or war and terrorism, not CITIZENS trying to WORK, are placed in embarrassing positions for photographs and the media is trying to make it into Watergate 2.

This is obvious, whether you are right or left, and EVERYONE should be outraged by it. Its about perspective, and how the media has completely LOST IT when it comes to the war with the upcoming election.

And please don't try and corner me into some political label, as I am anything but far right, and if you would pay attention to my political posts you would know this. My posts do lean right because the majority of liberal spin flying around these boards tends to be very misinformed and based on selective knowledge, but I have posted my considerable reservations about the Bush Presidency on more than one occasion.

[MuGen]

well said... +rep

[The Duggler]

Originally Posted by The Strangler

Yes, we invaded them and removed a regime that slaughtered 1.5 million of its own people, raped whomever they felt like and basically ran a country based on fear

I admit that you are well informed on the subject Strangler, much more than me, but you still come off as a guy that only looks at one side of the story.

The 1.5 million people that he murdered. You`re talking about the Chiites right? The same Chiites that are rebelling on you right now? You see, that country is a mess anyways, it's devided by 3 major ethnicities that hate each other. How can you make it work? A brutal dictator might be the only solution.

And didn't the US encouraged the Chiite rebelion a few years ago? A factor that could have something to do in their massacre?

[Jonbo298]

I thought it was spelled Shiite

[The Duggler]

Originally Posted by Jonbo298

I thought it was spelled Shiite

Chiite is in french, I mix it up often, just like Irak is spelled Iraq in french.

And Strangler, you talk like you know the absolute truth, who knows if that information is 100% accurate or not. Why wouldn't that be some propaganda, as much as what the US media are doing with that prisonner story?

Originally Posted by Strangler

While I don't agree with what the US did to encourage the rebellion, are you really implyin that its the US's fault there have been 400,000 bodies found in mass graves in Iraq so far? If thats the case, is there ANYTHING that isn't the US's fault in the world? If we don't do anything, we are criticized (see North Korea), and if we actually try and do something, we get it even worse. Such is the life of the world's most powerful nation. Nationalistic penis envy can be a terrible thing.

Did I say it was your fault? No! But your constant implication in foreign countries certainly don't help, as we can see right now. And don't give me that "the world doesn't know what it wants the US to do, they're never happy" crap. As if you listen to the world anyways. You do what you want when you want and that's it. People bring north korea on the table, not because they want you to do something about it, but as an argument to why the invasion in Irak is not justified.

This is just a political mess. Oh no, an Iraqi had some wires strapped to his hand, God forbid. Unless they actually shocked the guy, they did nothing wrong.

Talk about banalazing something.

I heard on the news that they were also sodomizing them with broom sticks, but that's not wrong either, right?

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by Nitram

Did I say it was your fault? No!

Yeah, but you may as well have come out and said it.

But your constant implication in foreign countries certainly don't help, as we can see right now. And don't give me that "the world doesn't know what it wants the US to do, they're never happy" crap. As if you listen to the world anyways. You do what you want when you want and that's it. People bring north korea on the table, not because they want you to do something about it, but as an argument to why the invasion in Irak is not justified.

Are you kidding me? The US has cow-towed to the UN for years, playing the old guard's 800 pound Gorilla only getting militarily involved whenever the UN saw fit. The US had the BEG the UN to get involved in Kosovo while tens of thousands of Muslims were being euthenized right next door to Europe. Somalia was a UN effort as was the first Gulf War.

Now the US finally does something it feels it should do, waiting YEARS for the UN to wake up to the fact that Iraq was in FLAGRANT violation of MULTIPLE resolutions, instead of waiting around for the UN to say its OK whenever they felt like it (which they never would since they were making BILLIONS from Iraq while their people suffered and died), and the US is basically condemned for doing so. I'm sorry, but we are a sovreign nation and not just the muscle that does whatever the UN wants us to do.

I don't think we should have to wait around while OTHER countries decide whats good for OUR country. Considering the cladestine nature of the "don't bother us, we won't bother you" deals that many European countries had with terrorist organizations and the billions being made off of the Oil for Food program, why should we consider what they think we should do to protect US?

I'm sorry if we did something that we felt we needed to do for our own best interests. I keep forgetting that until now that was only what every other country did, especially those in the UN.

But none of this is going to matter. People around the world will continue to hate America simply because we are Americans and are the most powerful nation in the world. We could sit by and do nothing, allow every two bit dictator persecute whomever they wanted, and we would be hated for being isolationist and uncaring, and you KNOW that would happen.

And for the record, if the US went ahead and minded their own business all the time as many believe we should do, you would all be saluting Hitler's grandson right now.

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But we have gotten WAY off topic. The point of this thread was to point out how the press and political structure has completely lost perspective as to what is going on over in the war. The very fact that humiliation gets precedence over REAL torture and murder of CIVILIANS is awful and inexcusable, and I really don't know how you can logically see it any other way.

[Hero2]

Since I dont know a damn thing about politics ill just put up a nice littel quote.

"countries have neither friends nor allies only intrests"(I cant remeber the real quote or who said it but you get the jist)

witch basicly states that every country is looking out for there own well being.

And it would be nice if the Media did have some respect for there country or some patriotism or at the verrrry least some common ****ing sence

[Crono]

Originally Posted by The Strangler

And for the record, if the US went ahead and minded their own business all the time as many believe we should do, you would all be saluting Hitler's grandson right now.

Heheh, either that or we'd (meaning everyone but the US) all be kissing the asses of Communists right now.

[Typhoid]

Originally Posted by The Strangler

But none of this is going to matter. People around the world will continue to hate America simply because we are Americans and are the most powerful nation in the world. We could sit by and do nothing, allow every two bit dictator persecute whomever they wanted, and we would be hated for being isolationist and uncaring, and you KNOW that would happen.

No.....most of the world hates you because of the "We should be the police force of the world" mentality most Americans have. Oh nO!!! heaven forbid an american soldier dies..my brother in law is in the English military in Iraq, and he saw his buddy get shot in the face...Was that a travesty or on the news? No...because hes not american. Strangler, the way you act most of the time is why most of the world hates america, taking things as if they are 100% truths. You said you dont like how the Media is doing this...your doing the same basic thing.

Most Americans feel that every little incident to do with war is their business, but the casualties are none of their faults. The war in Iraq was none Americas business, sure Saddam was...but not the rest. So what muslims are killing eachother, it doesnt mean you can bomb the crap out of them over speculation.

And Saddam doesnt have or never did have any Weapons of mass destruction....Bush does.

I've said this before and ill say it again, "War kills many, and produces nothing"

(And Strangler NHF)

[Crono]

What Strangler said in the paragraph you quoted (Typhoid) is true. People will always criticize America. Simply because they're jealous. This is a fact. Even I am jealous that America is the strongest and most influencial (sp) country in the world, and that Canada isn't. If Canada was in the same position that the US was, then everyone would hate us too.

The world is built on war. War is history. We would be nothing without war. I am not saying that War is good, but.. borders will change, people will die, and things will change. This is the world's fate until we kill ourselves over. Live with it. More of the reason to just not care. You don't live in Iraq, right? You're not Arab, right? Who cares? Just be glad you're in Canada, which is a country that is gauranteed to be protected by the US. That's the way I see life anyway.

[Professor S]

Oh where to begin with this cherry of a post...

Originally Posted by Typhoid

No.....most of the world hates you because of the "We should be the police force of the world" mentality most Americans have. Oh nO!!! heaven forbid an american soldier dies..my brother in law is in the English military in Iraq, and he saw his buddy get shot in the face...Was that a travesty or on the news? No...because hes not american.

Um, how many individual examples of Americans dying do YOU see in the news? Hardly any, unless they played pro football. We get a number at the end of every day, just like you. I am even offended for you to even begin quoting casualties when your nation has NONE. How many bodies are being sent home draped in Canadian flags? How many friends do you have that are in the military and are currently overseas? Where do you get off quoting ANYTHING having to do with body counts? (By the way, I like Canada and I know there are many Canadians that support the US, and I appreciate all of them.)

And speaking as an American, I can say that I respect the English to the highest degree and they are excellent allies and warriors.

Strangler, the way you act most of the time is why most of the world hates america, taking things as if they are 100% truths. You said you dont like how the Media is doing this...your doing the same basic thing.

Except I quote FACTS and debunk the MISTRUTHS and spin that is warping your brain. I pointed out the corruption in the Oil for Food program over a YEAR ago, and now suddenly it comes out and its basically IGNORED by the media.

You on the other hand spew out generalizations and heresay that you probably heard someone else blather without any qualification whatsoever.

Most Americans feel that every little incident to do with war is their business, but the casualties are none of their faults. The war in Iraq was none Americas business, sure Saddam was...but not the rest. So what muslims are killing eachother, it doesnt mean you can bomb the crap out of them over speculation.

I'm glad you feel free to speak for most Americans considering your Canadian, but thats neither here nor there.

12 years of UN resolution violations are not speculation, they are fact. That Iraq trained 9/11 and other terrorists as well as supplying funding for terrorist activities is not speculation, it is fact.

And you keep saying that we bombed the crap out of them, while anyone who paid attention to the war would know that the US made every effort to spare as many civilian facilities as possible, maintain the infrastructure of Bagdad as well as the other cities and avoid civilian casualties. Did you see any carpet bombing going on? Didn't think so.

But that doesn't matter to you because the fiction you've invented pertaining to the war takes precedence over what actually happened. It doesn't matter what the reality of the situation is or what the big picture is, you just want to hear what pats you on the back.

And Saddam doesnt have or never did have any Weapons of mass destruction....Bush does.

Bush has never used them... Saddam did on several occasions.

And by the way that it a perfect example of the gross generalizations you make that sound good but mean NOTHING.

I've said this before and ill say it again, "War kills many, and produces nothing"

I've said it before and I'll say it again: "War kills many and produced only freedom for African slaves, life for Jews during WW2 when they were being slaughtered, the halt and regression of fascist communism, independence of my own nation, etc, etc, etc."

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by Nitram

I admit that you are well informed on the subject Strangler, much more than me, but you still come off as a guy that only looks at one side of the story.

I often only post one side of the story because the other side has numerous defenders here. There is no need.

The 1.5 million people that he murdered. You`re talking about the Chiites right? The same Chiites that are rebelling on you right now?

Not just the Shiites were killed, anyone presenting a perceived threat was killed. Example: On the fifth day of Saddam's rule he aired a nationally broadcasted meeting of all the countries leaders. While smoking a cigar Saddam's right hand man read off a random list of names of "traitors" who were ushered out of the building, never to be seen again. They were killed so that Saddam could send a message: Anyone can be killed at any time.

One of his generals disagreed with him once (the name escapes me) and was imprisoned. The general's wife begged for his release and Saddam agreed. Saddam sent the general back to his wife... chopped into several pieces in a sack.

5,000 Kurds were slaughtered so that Saddam could test chemical weapons.

Rape camps were set up and the military could just pick out women they found attractive, accuse them with some bogus charge, and then send them to the camps to be toys for the boys.

Etc. etc. etc.

You see, that country is a mess anyways, it's devided by 3 major ethnicities that hate each other. How can you make it work? A brutal dictator might be the only solution.

That comment is ignorant, simplistic and borderline racist and I really don't think I need to explain why.

And didn't the US encouraged the Chiite rebelion a few years ago? A factor that could have something to do in their massacre?

While I don't agree with what the US did to encourage the rebellion, are you really implyin that its the US's fault there have been 400,000 bodies found in mass graves in Iraq so far? If thats the case, is there ANYTHING that isn't the US's fault in the world? If we don't do anything, we are criticized (see North Korea), and if we actually try and do something, we get it even worse. Such is the life of the world's most powerful nation. Nationalistic penis envy can be a terrible thing.

[Typhoid]

Originally Posted by The Strangler

They were killed so that Saddam could send a message: Anyone can be killed at any time.

He wasnt trying to say that anyone can be killed at anytime. He might have been making a statement against traitors, or Martyrs. ( im not standing up for him to get it straight, because i dont believe in his killing people to test weapons and whatnot)

In the U.S., if you are a traitor or a Martyr, you might not get killed, but the punishment is a long jail sentance. Different countries have different ways of doing things.

ex. In the U.S. you get the death penalty for killing someone...."a life for a life"
But in Canada you get a life sentance...and i dont mean life sentance as in 20 years...i mean until the day you die. This is a way harsher and more civilized way of acting in this case..but thats just my opinion..

And please do explain why this is a racist remark...because i dont see it as racist, its the truth. Because you said it was racist...and i dont see how...

You see, that country is a mess anyways, it's devided by 3 major ethnicities that hate each other. How can you make it work? A brutal dictator might be the only solution.

[GameMaster]

You shouldn't let yourself get ill over the U.S. media. You just need to remember that it's a job like any other that people do to put food on their tables. Invest your time in something else like solving a math problem that hasn't been solved yet, or dedicate your mind to an area of science that needs more attention.

[Typhoid]

Ok then, as the Math whiz you are GM....whats the square root of 1,000,000? That should keep you busy for a while...heh heh heh...