A Little Perspective in Iraq

Typhoid · 05-12-2004, 09:46 PM

Okay.... i know this is pointless and arrogant.....but hey Strangler, didnt you say that nobody thought like me

Professor S · 05-13-2004, 01:56 PM

Dyflon, thanks for the information. I wish you would have posted the BBCNews article rather than the rather inflammatory Insider version of events, but it is money that is legitimately missing, and it should be looked into. I'm not ashamed to admit it, I might be wrong about this and if I am that is sad and needs to be corrected immediately.

As for those that claim I never cite any evidence, thats laughable. Remember the London Telegraph article I cited? Just recently, the news story on Mr. Berg having his head lopped off? I also actually watch the news from CNN to FoxNews and relay all of it. Now not everything I state has a link associated with it, but I have been posting here for several years and I believe I have developed a track record of honesty and truth. I'm not saying I can't be wrong or that there are things that I don't know, but when I state the situation surrounding the broken UN regulations by Saddam, I should hope you would KNOW this as it was all over the news when the war began.

And Stonecutter, you still attempt to justify the beheading of a US citizen in retaliation for the humiliation of Iraqi prisoners of war. In no way does that correlation make any sense AT ALL. If the US soldiers had raped and then shot the Iraqi prisoners, then I could see where you're coming from. But you're comparison is rediculous and quite offensive. And you say that Conservatives don't care about anyone other than Americans and I have to disagree. We just have a more broad sense of it. Liberals tend to look at specific examples of pain and suffering, and scream bloody murder, while I tend to look at the 1.5 million killed by Saddam and think that the Iraqi people are better off without him, which by the way the latest polls in Iraq STILL think that they are better off without him too (that was taken from a CNN broadcast). And by the way, you still say that we blew their country to hell... did you pay attention to the war? AT ALL?? It was probably the most humane war that has ever been fought in modern times.

EDIT: And I keep on hearing people harping on Haliburton this and Haliburton that... 1) Haliburton is one of a handful of companies in the world that does the type of work that is needed in Iraq and I believe the only US one (I am not sure about that, though). 2) They don't even have the most lucrative contract in Iraq. 3) Why shoudln't the US spent its money of US companies? We're spending 80 Billion over there, not anyone else. Has the US overspent on contracted companies? Most likely, but that happens on domestic contracts as well its very much on purpose. After all, it saved the US from the Great Depression at the beginning of WW2. I'm going to do some extra research into Haliburton, though, as when there is so much smoke there is most likely fire.

Joeiss, the US has been trying to train Iraqi's to rebuild their country and their military and they keep quitting. (Sorry I don't have a link for this, but I hope you would have heard about 50% of the Iraqi soldiers quitting and the instance when they refused to fight). Also, foreign help in rebuilding has been a staple of post war activities since WW2, and a very successful one at that. Both Japan and Germany were occupied and rebuilt very successfully by the Allies, and in fact became economic powerhouses to rival the US at points afterwards.

Typhoid, please note that while these people may actually agree with you, they also actually bring something to the table in their arguments. Try that sometime.

By the way, I'm glad to see people doing research and looking up information in print of the media now. Looks like my teaching theory is paying off.

Stonecutter · 05-13-2004, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by The Strangler

And Stonecutter, you still attempt to justify the beheading of a US citizen in retaliation for the humiliation of Iraqi prisoners of war. In no way does that correlation make any sense AT ALL. If the US soldiers had raped and then shot the Iraqi prisoners, then I could see where you're coming from.

Well, according to people who have seen some of those unreleased images, US soldiers have raped iraqi prisoners.

And we've seen video of Marines shooting defenseless Iraqis, do you really believe that no prisoners have died at the hands of Americans?

Professor S · 05-13-2004, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Stonecutter

Well, according to people who have seen some of those unreleased images, US soldiers have raped iraqi prisoners.

And we've seen video of Marines shooting defenseless Iraqis, do you really believe that no prisoners have died at the hands of Americans?

That video is a joke. It was obviously edited and gives no frame of context as to the events surrounding the shooting. And the interview with the soldier involved was HILARIOUSLY edited, BTW.

As for the Iraqi prisoners being raped, I'll have to see the pictures to believe them, and even if any Iraqi soldiers were killed in American hands 1) They were Iraqi soldiers, not civilians 2) There is absolutely no evidence that it happened. I still cannot BELIEVE that you are defending the beheading of that civilian considering what we know right now, and you lean on speculation to do so. Thats honestly disgusting, IMO.

As for Halliburton, I'm leaning towards your opinion in that matter.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/arti...24/80648.shtml

Keep in mind that this is coming from conservative news source also. It talks about how Halliburton has done business with Libya and Iran while still receiving public funds from the US. Thats awful. This article is prior to 9/11/01, and I'd like to see if this changed afterwards, but even so its still awful.

Typhoid · 05-13-2004, 06:49 PM

Can someone post the video?

Seth · 05-13-2004, 07:11 PM

Of the execution?

I can't comprehend how you guys want to see that.

Typhoid · 05-13-2004, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by bouncer_agb

Of the execution?

I can't comprehend how you guys want to see that.

Actually, its probably only me who wants to see it, and i want to see it to see if it actually is doctored and edited.

Stonecutter · 05-13-2004, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by The Strangler

I still cannot BELIEVE that you are defending the beheading of that civilian considering what we know right now, and you lean on speculation to do so. Thats honestly disgusting, IMO.

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Originally Posted by Stonecutter

Those civilians shouldn't be over there in the first place and they are the representatives of the biggest THEAVES in the entire world. It doesn't make the killing just, but stop trying to portray those victims as completely innocent, because they are far from it.

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Joeiss · 05-13-2004, 10:34 PM

The first video with that interview is very obviously edited, lol. even I picked that up.

And Strangler, I have no knowledge about this at all, but I was trying to refer to regular Iraqi citizens, not just soldiers. Put money into education. Teach them some trades. Help them help themselves.

Typhoid · 05-14-2004, 12:39 AM

The thing is, i think that they will refuse or revolt against any help that the US gives. Because they have been brought up in such a way to do so. You cant tell them to change their mind and way of doing things in a second.

EX. If you wre born and raised into Christianity or Catholosism, and all of a sudden your country is "invaded" and Jews start trying to help you because you live different then they do, of course your going to be pissed off. You wont go against your beliefs because someone else said to.

And by saying this im not implying that the US is trying to convert the Iraqis or anything like that.