A Little Perspective in Iraq

Stonecutter · 05-13-2004, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by The Strangler

And Stonecutter, you still attempt to justify the beheading of a US citizen in retaliation for the humiliation of Iraqi prisoners of war. In no way does that correlation make any sense AT ALL. If the US soldiers had raped and then shot the Iraqi prisoners, then I could see where you're coming from.

Well, according to people who have seen some of those unreleased images, US soldiers have raped iraqi prisoners.

And we've seen video of Marines shooting defenseless Iraqis, do you really believe that no prisoners have died at the hands of Americans?

Professor S · 05-13-2004, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Stonecutter

Well, according to people who have seen some of those unreleased images, US soldiers have raped iraqi prisoners.

And we've seen video of Marines shooting defenseless Iraqis, do you really believe that no prisoners have died at the hands of Americans?

That video is a joke. It was obviously edited and gives no frame of context as to the events surrounding the shooting. And the interview with the soldier involved was HILARIOUSLY edited, BTW.

As for the Iraqi prisoners being raped, I'll have to see the pictures to believe them, and even if any Iraqi soldiers were killed in American hands 1) They were Iraqi soldiers, not civilians 2) There is absolutely no evidence that it happened. I still cannot BELIEVE that you are defending the beheading of that civilian considering what we know right now, and you lean on speculation to do so. Thats honestly disgusting, IMO.

As for Halliburton, I'm leaning towards your opinion in that matter.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/arti...24/80648.shtml

Keep in mind that this is coming from conservative news source also. It talks about how Halliburton has done business with Libya and Iran while still receiving public funds from the US. Thats awful. This article is prior to 9/11/01, and I'd like to see if this changed afterwards, but even so its still awful.

Typhoid · 05-13-2004, 06:49 PM

Can someone post the video?

Seth · 05-13-2004, 07:11 PM

Of the execution?

I can't comprehend how you guys want to see that.

Typhoid · 05-13-2004, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by bouncer_agb

Of the execution?

I can't comprehend how you guys want to see that.

Actually, its probably only me who wants to see it, and i want to see it to see if it actually is doctored and edited.

Jonbo298 · 05-13-2004, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Typhoid

Actually, its probably only me who wants to see it, and i want to see it to see if it actually is doctored and edited.

I'll PM you the site. I dont feel the need to publicly put the site on GT because of the nature of the video.

Stonecutter · 05-13-2004, 07:52 PM

http://www.thenausea.com/elements/us...q%20murder.wmv

I'd like to see your evidence as to why that was edited. Seeing as how you always request such evidence from me.

http://www.thenausea.com/elements/us...%20killing.wmv

That second video is footage from a Apache attack helicopter. Three Iraqi's are killed, the third one killed after having been wounded, which is a major No-no. My point here is simply to illustrate the complete lack of restraint our soliders show when using force as it was obviously not necessary to kill that third solider.

The thing is, if you really want to be cold blooded about it, from a purely strategic viewpoint, a wounded solider is a far larger burden for an enemy than a dead soldier. You saw what those rounds did to that car on the left side of the screen, you can't tell me that Iraqi would have been fighting the fight anymore after being hit by even one of those. As a dead man, he's nothing, as a living wounded man, he is going to be cared for by the enemy, which is a waste of resources.

Stonecutter · 05-13-2004, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by The Strangler

I still cannot BELIEVE that you are defending the beheading of that civilian considering what we know right now, and you lean on speculation to do so. Thats honestly disgusting, IMO.

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Originally Posted by Stonecutter

Those civilians shouldn't be over there in the first place and they are the representatives of the biggest THEAVES in the entire world. It doesn't make the killing just, but stop trying to portray those victims as completely innocent, because they are far from it.

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Joeiss · 05-13-2004, 10:34 PM

The first video with that interview is very obviously edited, lol. even I picked that up.

And Strangler, I have no knowledge about this at all, but I was trying to refer to regular Iraqi citizens, not just soldiers. Put money into education. Teach them some trades. Help them help themselves.

Typhoid · 05-14-2004, 12:39 AM

The thing is, i think that they will refuse or revolt against any help that the US gives. Because they have been brought up in such a way to do so. You cant tell them to change their mind and way of doing things in a second.

EX. If you wre born and raised into Christianity or Catholosism, and all of a sudden your country is "invaded" and Jews start trying to help you because you live different then they do, of course your going to be pissed off. You wont go against your beliefs because someone else said to.

And by saying this im not implying that the US is trying to convert the Iraqis or anything like that.