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Originally Posted by Typhoid

The only thing im pissed off about is that no money goes into the west in comparison to the east. Just because the east has more people, they have more potential voters, so they get all the money for road replacements, new construction etc. Im not really strong on any party though, i always say i would go for the party that is the least fascist, and puts more money into the west.


And dont worry, the Green party wont win. Neither will the Bloc Quebecois.

There might be others.Interesting explanation.
Is that a fact.I am glad to hear that you are not strong on any party though he or she always say he or she would go for the party that is the least fascist and puts more money into the west.
I cannot feel "worry", so don't worry.Probably not.

[Seth]

Well, I'm pretty sure that I'll be casting my vote for the NDP.

and Dyne, if you're first choice is NDP...how can your second choice be a party that is the complete opposite? Or were you just going for the irony?

I'd hate to see this country under a conservative government. Harper has been asked if he'd send our troops to Iraq...and he's dodged the question every time. This country doesn't need a republican'esque' government.

I can't see the most right wing party putting any substantial amount of money into our health care system. The liberals are bad enough. I also think that their stance on drugs is backwards and correlates with the US's warped view on the matter.

The Green Party probably shares most of my ideals but I don't think it has the compitence to effectively run the Canadian government. It seems like they'd put us into a big debt and there's more to it than saving trees.

Quebec seperating? The bloc is doing quite well in the Quebec polls. If the conservatives and liberals don't gain some more ridings in that province then it could very well be leaving this nation. That'd be kind of wierd. A leafs and Canadiens game.
And I've been recently pondering this. Why did conscription piss of the French Canadian population so much? It wasn't just Britains game back in WW1 and 2. The french were just as much an Allie. Sure, conscription sucks, but what else was Mackenzie supposed to do? Was French Canada too blind to see the Nazi threat? It has supposedly been the biggest influence in splitting french and english Canadians. I really wish that they would wash the canadian sand out of their vaginas and realise that while this country, like every other country in the world, has it's share of problems, it's a great nation and that they're part of it the same as every other ethnic population. What else am I missing? They have enough ridings in parliament. Their views are addressed. The western part of the country has more grounds for being pissed off about being ignored than they do.

And **** the conservative party as a whole. I'm not going to vote for a party that encompasses two different parties that, combined, resemble the Bush government far too much. The conservatives are leading the polls now. That's ****ing scary. Doesn't anyone remember Brian Mulroney?
So, should I cast my vote for the Liberals in hopes of putting them in power instead of the Conservatives? The NDP and Green don't stand a chance at being the party in power. Is strategic voting the right thing to do instead of choosing the party that you support?

And I can't stand people who bitch about the government but at the same time, didn't cast a vote in the previous election. Hypocritical morons.

[Typhoid]

Ummm......I hate to burst your bubble, but it was Dylflon, not Dyne.



And nobody said anything about Quebec separating....


Conscription pissed them off because they didnt feel it was their war being of French decent. [enter french joke here]. And they were usually put into groups with little or no other French-speaking people. No commanders spoke french, and no soldiers, except the french ones spoke french.


I would say...sadly as it may be, vote for the liberals. Yes they've f***** this country up, but look at the other options. NDP wants "secretly" to capitalize and privatize businesses, which means we might have to pay for servises such as a hospital.

The conservatives piss me off. Right in the name. Conservative. i dont want my country to be conservative pushovers who censor everything and have strict rules and what not. Considering i can't vote this election ( dam, misse out by a year) my opinion has little or no effect on anything whatsoever.

[Joeiss]

I believe it was the leader of the NDP who said that if Quebec holds a referendum, and majority vote yes, then he would consider letting them leave Canada.

[Seth]

Originally Posted by Typhoid

Ummm......I hate to burst your bubble, but it was Dylflon, not Dyne.

my bad. I posted it late last night. And you know...dyne dylfon..easy to mix up alphabetically.

And nobody said anything about Quebec separating....

Uhh, the Bloc have. They haven't pushed it in their agenda but it's there. Everyone just knows it's a give in.

Conscription pissed them off because they didnt feel it was their war being of French decent. [enter french joke here]. And they were usually put into groups with little or no other French-speaking people. No commanders spoke french, and no soldiers, except the french ones spoke french.

But France(the source of their french decent) was the first allied country to be attacked by Germany. Even though the cammanders supposedly didn't speak any french....it's not like they new that from vast experience. Conscription wasn't introduced until well after D-Day. They were basing their opinion on what had occurred back in WW1. But, even that war involved the French heavily. More frenchmen died in that war than any of the other countries.

I would say...sadly as it may be, vote for the liberals. Yes they've f***** this country up, but look at the other options. NDP wants "secretly" to capitalize and privatize businesses, which means we might have to pay for servises such as a hospital.

'Privatize': To change (an industry or business, for example) from governmental or public ownership or control to private enterprise. The NDP is a socialistic minded party. They want to make everything more public. And were you joking about having to pay for hospitals? You do that now? That's how Canada works. maybe you were joking?

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Originally Posted by Crono

And you complain that our health system is lacking funds, though that is true, compare ours to every other country in the world (save a select few) and tell me who's is better. I still like the fact that if I am hit by a car, or shot, etc., I can survive without paying anything.

It sucks that we're too young to fully remember how good our health care system used to be. Have you been to an emergency ward at a hospital recently? Last year I severely sprained my ankle and I went to the hospital here in Kelowna. It took 6 hours for them to actually see me. That's just a petty example. When you're waiting for life saving surgery and it keeps getting delayed...then you'll have a different opinion.

Originally Posted by Crono

I hate seeing this country under a liberal or leftist government. I can not tolerate the fact that marijuana and all that **** being legalized ("stoners" are the scum of society). Also I do not want gay marriages to be legalized, although kind of late for that now.

I know this isn't the place to start a pot discussion....but I find it incredibly laughable how our country, which is so hellbent on drinking alcohol, has not yet legalized pot. The biggest thing has been the US's threat to close their borders to us if we legalized it. Decriminalizing it would be the first step though. ("drunks" are the scum of society. People who drink excessively and beat their wives and innocent children are better than a happy stoner? Please )

Originally Posted by Joeiss

I believe it was the leader of the NDP who said that if Quebec holds a referendum, and majority vote yes, then he would consider letting them leave Canada.

Well, what are we going to do if Quebec votes to seperate? Just ignore them and cause even more rift? There has to be a point in time where this seperatism issue gets solved. Canada imo would be hurt quite significantly if Quebec decided to seperate...but that just might be the future. Personally, I don't think the Quebec people know what is good for them. Turning a province like that into a Country overnnight isn't going to be easy. They have the largest debt of any province and we'd hold them accountable for that. I just don't think they have what it takes to be any kind of a country by themselves.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by bouncer

I know this isn't the place to start a pot discussion....but I find it incredibly laughable how our country, which is so hellbent on drinking alcohol, has not yet legalized pot. The biggest thing has been the US's threat to close their borders to us if we legalized it. Decriminalizing it would be the first step though. ("drunks" are the scum of society. People who drink excessively and beat their wives and innocent children are better than a happy stoner? Please

Well just so you know, I hate alcoholics as well. I hate women-beaters too.

My definition of stoner was someone who lives for weed/drugs. He has nothing better to do (or can't do anything better because he's just too damn stupid) with his life. He brings his weed to school and shows up to classes high. To him, everything is about weed. I see these kind of people often, I can't stand them. Any stoner/alcoholic/etc should just disappear so I can stop hating them so much.

Drinking is fun, but when someone mentions alcohol to a bunch of teenaged kids they sound like a Nuremburg Nazi rally. It's sad, really.

There's a line between having fun and obsession. I fear that weed will become too much of an obsession if legalized. It already is for some people.

[Joeiss]

I am kind of lose about your France vs. Quebec arguements.... But just remember, Quebec hates France. In their opinion, which is a supported one, France let them out to dry here in the new world. Quebec could care less if France gets blown to smitherines.

[Crono]

Quebec is also a major economic centre for Canada, if Quebec ever seperates, the rest of Canada's economy will be hit pretty bad. I think Chretien even predicted an actual collapse our economy, if Quebec did seperate.

[Professor S]

I believe that weed should be legalized. Every study I have ever seen lists pot at being far less addictive than even alcohol and nearly impossible to overdose on (you would have to consume your body weight in a day). In fact President Nixon commissioned a study on the drug in the early seventies and when the results of the study actually recommended the legalization of the drug he had the study buried.

I also don't think you should just let anyone who wants it, have it. Place the same regulations on weed consumption that are placed on alcohol consumption. No one under 21 (or 18 if Canada or whomever) and no driving while under the influence or operating heavy machinery. Let the state regulate it, tax the crap out of it and that way it will be a boon to the state's pocketbooks instead of sucking them dry. As of 2001 (I think) over $70 billion have been spent by the US alone to stop the trafficing and use of weed. What a waste.

The real reason why pot will never be legalized is because of the petroleum industry, not the pharmaceutical industry. Hemp can make plastics, clothing and fuel and its all very affordable and very replenishable. There are strains of hemp that contain NO THC (the chemical that produces the high) that my and most other governments WILL NOT LEGALIZE. Why? Big Oil. Petroleum runs the business world from plastics to fuel. Looks around your room and wonder how many things in it are made from petroleum.

THATS the real reason why weed will not be generally legalized anytime soon.

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IMO

[Typhoid]

Originally Posted by Crono

There's a line between having fun and obsession. I fear that weed will become too much of an obsession if legalized. It already is for some people.

Did you ever think some people do it because their lives are so sh***y that its the only thing that makes them happy.

I dont know about you, but if i had an option of living in a neighbourhood of stoners or drunks. I'd take the stoners. The drunks would act like asses and try to fight you, while stoners sleep and eat.

Alcohol would be illegal, except its mentioned in the bible, so its not. And nobody will legalize(except the green party)pot, i know they've already decriminalized it here anyways. ( i think).

And if Quebec separates where would they go? Become theyre own country? What major goods and values do they have to turn a profit? Join America? Most French-Canadains dont like America anyways.


And why do you fear weed will become an obsession, but not Alcohol, Heroin, Cocain and things like that. They are way worse that weed.


And back to Quebec, if they becasme their own country, who would be their allies? Canada, no. France, they hate them. America, them too.

So this brings me to something i heard a comedian say one time: ( its paraphrased)


" So let Quebec separate if they want to. I say, if they separate and becaome an independant nation. I think a few yeasr after they separate Canada should join the country of Quebec, all of Canada should. Then we should hold a big vote to change the name of the country back to Canada and start all over from there."

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Typhoid

Did you ever think some people do it because their lives are so sh***y that its the only thing that makes them happy.

That is their problem, the rest of society doesn't give a ****, never will, and should not be affected by their problems.

I dont know about you, but if i had an option of living in a neighbourhood of stoners or drunks. I'd take the stoners. The drunks would act like asses and try to fight you, while stoners sleep and eat.

Stereotypes. Some stoners are asses too.

Alcohol would be illegal, except its mentioned in the bible, so its not. And nobody will legalize(except the green party)pot, i know they've already decriminalized it here anyways. ( i think).

And if Quebec separates where would they go? Become theyre own country? What major goods and values do they have to turn a profit? Join America? Most French-Canadains dont like America anyways.

Quebec as lumber, mineral ore, and hydro power. Those turn in good profit.

And why do you fear weed will become an obsession, but not Alcohol, Heroin, Cocain and things like that. They are way worse that weed.

Alcohol, Cigarettes, etc etc are ALREADY obsession for some people. And it does piss me off. Look at smoking. Most people have an extremely hard time quitting. If you legalize "pot", everyone will want to do it and it will create problems for more people. Weed deteriorates the brain just like the rest of them. If you want to have this **** legalized, go vote for your leftist parties, and when one of your best friends becomes an addict (because he would be able to smoke it whenever he wants, without anyone doing anything about it), I will laugh in your face.

Listen. I hate stoners. I hate drunks. I hate anyone who is addicted to any kind of drug. And if you're doing this to escape your apparent "harsh" life, you got some major problems. Kill yourself to rid us of your presence.

Yeah... the one excuse... "My life is bad, so I'm going to drink/smoke it away, and I'm just too much of a loser to do anything else to even improve myself. And guess what? Millions of people worldwide suffer from war, hunger etc., but that's nothing compared to my recent breaking up with my girlfriend, or the fact that I just failed half of a semester". Blah blah blah, "I'm an idiot".

And back to Quebec, if they becasme their own country, who would be their allies? Canada, no. France, they hate them. America, them too.

More of the reason for them to just not seperate from the rest of Canada.

[The Duggler]

Originally Posted by Typhoid

NDP wants "secretly" to capitalize and privatize businesses, which means we might have to pay for servises such as a hospital

What the hell are you talking about?

[Typhoid]

Originally Posted by Nitram

What the hell are you talking about?

T'was a joke good sir. I forgot the little toungue smilie, or the winking one.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by bouncer

Well, I'm pretty sure that I'll be casting my vote for the NDP.

and Dyne, if you're first choice is NDP...how can your second choice be a party that is the complete opposite? Or were you just going for the irony?

I'd hate to see this country under a conservative government. Harper has been asked if he'd send our troops to Iraq...and he's dodged the question every time. This country doesn't need a republican'esque' government.

I can't see the most right wing party putting any substantial amount of money into our health care system. The liberals are bad enough. I also think that their stance on drugs is backwards and correlates with the US's warped view on the matter.

The Green Party probably shares most of my ideals but I don't think it has the compitence to effectively run the Canadian government. It seems like they'd put us into a big debt and there's more to it than saving trees.

Quebec seperating? The bloc is doing quite well in the Quebec polls. If the conservatives and liberals don't gain some more ridings in that province then it could very well be leaving this nation. That'd be kind of wierd. A leafs and Canadiens game.
And I've been recently pondering this. Why did conscription piss of the French Canadian population so much? It wasn't just Britains game back in WW1 and 2. The french were just as much an Allie. Sure, conscription sucks, but what else was Mackenzie supposed to do? Was French Canada too blind to see the Nazi threat? It has supposedly been the biggest influence in splitting french and english Canadians. I really wish that they would wash the canadian sand out of their vaginas and realise that while this country, like every other country in the world, has it's share of problems, it's a great nation and that they're part of it the same as every other ethnic population. What else am I missing? They have enough ridings in parliament. Their views are addressed. The western part of the country has more grounds for being pissed off about being ignored than they do.

And **** the conservative party as a whole. I'm not going to vote for a party that encompasses two different parties that, combined, resemble the Bush government far too much. The conservatives are leading the polls now. That's ****ing scary. Doesn't anyone remember Brian Mulroney?
So, should I cast my vote for the Liberals in hopes of putting them in power instead of the Conservatives? The NDP and Green don't stand a chance at being the party in power. Is strategic voting the right thing to do instead of choosing the party that you support?

And I can't stand people who bitch about the government but at the same time, didn't cast a vote in the previous election. Hypocritical morons.

Heh, my views are the complete opposite of yours.

I hate seeing this country under a liberal or leftist government. I can not tolerate the fact that marijuana and all that **** being legalized ("stoners" are the scum of society). Also I do not want gay marriages to be legalized, although kind of late for that now.

And you complain that our health system is lacking funds, though that is true, compare ours to every other country in the world (save a select few) and tell me who's is better. I still like the fact that if I am hit by a car, or shot, etc., I can survive without paying anything.

I am "right-wing", but lately I've seen two sides of the war in Iraq and am no longer in full favour of it. Though at the moment I am in favour of sending some Canadian troops to Iraq, so if that is what Harper wants, then good for him.

By the way... no one cares about western Canada, you guys got nothing on the East.

[Joeiss]

Originally Posted by Crono

I can not tolerate the fact that marijuana and all that **** being legalized ("stoners" are the scum of society).

Marijuana was never going to be legalized. The talks were about decriminalizing it. If you get caught with some, you get a fine, this way our courts don't get clogged with stupid little cases.