Michael Moore-on and 9/11

[Jonbo298]

The whole US Government is corrupt. I'm leaving it at that.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Jonbo298

The whole US Government is corrupt. I'm leaving it at that.

Every government is corrupt. No matter what, as long as you're in a position of power, the only you care about is the money.

So it doesn't matter what country... US, Canada, Russia, etc etc, all of the governments are fairly corrupt, some in different ways, and some in more ways than others. It is just the will to power.

[Seth]

I have a hard time admiring Moore as a film maker or person.

Sure, his 'documentaries' make millions but he does lie.

And if it isn't lying then it's twisted facts or facts that really have no relevance except to stir the emotions of the viewers.

Lose some ****ing weight and stop dressing like you've been at your computer for a week striaight without showering. It's a lame attempt to make himself look like just another blue collar. That annoys me.

And I hate his writing. I feel like he's talking to the readers like they're kids.

I really want to se fahrenheit 9/11 though.

[BreakABone]

I say the man speaks the truth.

I say we have a 10 black person minimum on each plane!

I've always wanted to see London.

His statement however does remind me of a skit from the Chappelle show as well as a joke from stand-up, but for some reason, I don't think humor is wanted in this thread.

[Typhoid]

I think he is a blue collard guy. So what if hes rich, money doesnt or at least, shouldnt change you. Some of you keep saying to stop looking like a regular person ( but in different terms) but he IS a regular person. Paris Hilton is a regular person. George Bush is a regular person. Money or a job doesnt change who you are and how you grew up. Look at me, i recently got rich ( my family did, not me directly) but i still act/look the same.

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by Jonbo298

The whole US Government is corrupt. I'm leaving it at that.

I'm sorry, but I'll return to this thread to ask one simple question:

Exactly what the hell does that have to do with anything we're talking about?

[Dylflon]

On the topic of Michael more and being blue collar, I'd like to quote some very insightful words written by Kevin Smith for the movie Clerks.

Title doesn't dictate behaviour.

I believe this is very true. Michael Moore was a blue collar guy before he was rich. Why should he change now that he has money.

I still like Bowling for Columbine even though he does mess around with details and edits the crap out of some things, there's a lot of truth to what he has to say...usually.

Strangler, I know you hate the guy but Michael Moore does have a lot of good things to say. I started reading one of his books, "Dude, Where's My Country" and he seems to have a lot of good questions to ask as well. I didn't read past the first couple chapters considering that everything after those chapters is opinion based. He does source everything he writes and points out a lot of things that made me go, "what the crap!" (directed at the actions of the government around the time of 9/11).

I don't agree with his lying but you all seem to go along with one of the biggest forms of media that leaves out the truth. The news. Mainly CNN. All you guys are seeing is the American spin on everything in Iraq. Thy leave almost everything out that would make the american troops look bad. The news is supposed to portray what's happening in our world but it's failing to do so recently. I see more of what's happening because I have a lot of news sources (including Al Jazeera, BBC, CBC and a couple of rogue websites that take sources from all over). Why is nobody getting pissed off at the news. I'm pissed off at the news. Hundreds of civilians are being shot needlessly over there. Where's the coverage on that? You don't see it. Instead you see the footage of the soldiers giving food packages to Iraqis that plays all day long.

There's something wrong when a news station is biased. Then you really aren't getting the truth. Maybe you guys should care about that instead of some fat guy who has an opinion about something.

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by Dylflon

I don't agree with his lying but you all seem to go along with one of the biggest forms of media that leaves out the truth. The news. Mainly CNN. All you guys are seeing is the American spin on everything in Iraq. Thy leave almost everything out that would make the american troops look bad. The news is supposed to portray what's happening in our world but it's failing to do so recently. I see more of what's happening because I have a lot of news sources (including Al Jazeera, BBC, CBC and a couple of rogue websites that take sources from all over). Why is nobody getting pissed off at the news. I'm pissed off at the news. Hundreds of civilians are being shot needlessly over there. Where's the coverage on that? You don't see it. Instead you see the footage of the soldiers giving food packages to Iraqis that plays all day long.

There's something wrong when a news station is biased. Then you really aren't getting the truth. Maybe you guys should care about that instead of some fat guy who has an opinion about something.

Exactly what American news organizations are you watching? I never see positive news about the war, even on FoxNews which is basically a Bush pulpit. All I ever see is arguments about whether or not the war is right and then body counts of American soldiers and Iraqi resistance (which aren't even Iraqi for the most part, but foreign insurgents).

Also, you are making claims that hundreds of innocent Iraqi's are being shot over in Iraq. Please provide a source for that information so that we can make a decision for ourselves on the credibility of that statement. And please leave Al Jazeera out of it, as even mentioning them as a "news" source when it comes to this conflict is out and out laughable since they openly supported a genocidal maniac during the military conflict. BBC and CBC are perfectly acceptable souces, though.

Who knows, you might actually change my mind if I can see it for myself, much like you changed my mind about Halliburton.

As for Michael Moore, I still don't see how anyone can respect a man or take a man seriously whose life is based on deception and manipulation. The name of his production company is, or was when he made Canadian Bacon, PROPOGANDA FILMS for crimenies sake!

You agree with what he is saying, but much of what he is a saying is based on lies, so how can you trust anything he says? He portrays himself as a documentarian, but whenever his "facts" are challenged he claims to be a comedian and is therefore not responsible for the massive innaccuracies in his work (see the Lou Dobbs of CNN interview from the Wallstreet Journal article) Once the pandora's box is opened, you can't close it. Once you are proven to be a liar and a SEVERE capitalist in socialist clothing and its exposed that you are a hypocrit in every facet of your life, how can you expect to ever be taken seriously again?

Evidently Michael Moore has figured out how and is making himself disgustingly rich in the process. You are being worked and manipulated by him. He is a fraud and a leech and is preying on liberal sympathies to make himself into what he claims to hate about America. Michael Moore doesn't hate America, he loves America because its Americans who fall for his absolute bull**** and shell out millions to see his like minded, back patting rubbish.

He is a con-artist... and you are the mark.

Ok, now The Strangler really has left the building... unless Dyflon posts some evidence for the Iraqi's being murdered by US soldiers which I really want to see (and no, I'm not being a smartass, I really would like to see it)

[Dylflon]

I probably should have posted this earlier. This site is really leftist but it has a comprehensive database on how, when and where civilians have died due to military intervention. Make sure you click the database link below the total death toll.

Iraqi Body Count

[Typhoid]

Strangler, we Get CNN and pretty much all of the American news channels here, so i think we was generally referring to them.

And of course the news is going to be biased and show only good things in Iraq, you know why, because the news is controlled by the government, Oh, and whats this an election is coming up soon. So of curse Bush wouldnt want bad media in Iraq because it was his idea to do what they are doing, and if people see innocent people dying, their opinions might change of him. IMO.

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by Typhoid

Strangler, we Get CNN and pretty much all of the American news channels here, so i think we was generally referring to them.

And of course the news is going to be biased and show only good things in Iraq, you know why, because the news is controlled by the government, Oh, and whats this an election is coming up soon. So of curse Bush wouldnt want bad media in Iraq because it was his idea to do what they are doing, and if people see innocent people dying, their opinions might change of him. IMO.

Sarcasm really doesn't register with you, does it. My point was that the US media ISN'T positive about the war... AT ALL. Even FoxNews is skeptical about the outcome. Maybe they are less negative than CBC or the BBC, but being less negative doesn't make you positive.

Dyflon, let me check out the site you posted and get my feedback to you soon.

[Bond]

Originally Posted by Typhoid

And of course the news is going to be biased and show only good things in Iraq, you know why, because the news is controlled by the government

I fear for the future of Canada.