Why not vote Bush?

[Dylflon]

What's the problem with gay people adopting children?

[Neo]

Originally Posted by Dylflon

What's the problem with gay people adopting children?

In an ideal society nothing, but children of gay parents would be ridiculed to no end by their classmates. Kids can be very cruel. Children of gay parents would probably end up needing intense psychotherapy with heavy medications.

[Ace195]

(Incase your wondering TRICARE is the health provider for the entire military) Adding this to the military ticket would get so many more supporters and then they would never have to bring the draft back.

John Kerry has voted against pay raises for our troops at least 21 different times

So saying that he's going to do it and actually doing it are 2 diffrent things

John Kerry voted against the $87 billion to support our men and women in uniform. The $87 billion included funds for body armor, meal allowance, and hazard pay among others

If you see the IBA then you'll know it neets better shoulder protection and side protection.. and he voted against it :WTF:


This was on john kerry's website..

“The Bush Administration decided to put politics above public health by withholding tens of millions of dollars that could help prevent needless deaths of mothers, infants and children. Presidential leadership is necessary to stabilize and rebuild troubled regions of the developing world, and to promote the rights and well-being of parents, children and families around the globe. As President, I will restore U.S. funding to the United Nations Population Fund and reassert America's leadership in the fight for women’s health both at home and around the world.”

Originally Posted by Jonbo298

And in '04, now that I can vote, I'm going for Kerry because I can't stand Bush. He's running the country's debt deeper because we had to go after Sadaam using basically only our money. I'm not trying to say Sadaam is good or anything, but I hate the fact that Bush basically said "F*ck you UN, we're going alone" and then afterwards expects countries to just show their undying support to us.

Wow just running the debt deeper like kerry wanted... Notice a Trend. But insted of just giving money to the UN Bush took a dictator out of power..

[Professor S]

I'm not going to quote everything here, but I'll put down some points that jumped out at me:

1) Kerry will increase the number of troops and increase their pay and benefits. If you believe this, you're a complete friggin' moron. Sorry, but you are. Kerry's voting record contradicts this in every way imaginable. He's voted to cut spending in every area of national defense he had the opportunity to. There is no way that a Kerry presidency will increase troops in the middle east or increase benefits and salaries WITHOUT cutting the number of personnel. Remember I said this when Kerry wins, and yes, he will win unless Bush gets Osama.

2) Cutting tax breaks for the rich. Man, its a damn shame that we have let liberals program our nation for class warfare. Listen to me very cafrefully here... RICH PEOPLE ARE GOOD FOR THE NATION. THEY PAY YOUR, MINE AND YOU PARENTS SALARIES. WITHOUT RICH PEOPLE, YOU WOULD STARVE IN A CAPATALIST SOCIETY. We demonize Enron, and rightfully so, and then apply that stereotype on every corporation, no matter how many SUV's they put in our driveways. Wake up.

3) People love to say we should have let the UN help. Please explain to me exactly what the UN hasn't botched in the last 10 years. Oil for Food? LOL. Rwanda? LOL. Bosnia? LOL. Yeah, lets trust them.

[Jonbo298]

I think by now we know Strangler that you hate the UN. I know that somethings didn't go as planned or something along those lines. But when you tell a "league of nations" the UN (that your on) F*ck you, we are going alone, it rings a bell to the other countries. They start thinking differently about the US. If any other country in the UN told them "Screw you, we are gonna fight that country without your support" other countries would look at that country, laugh, and never give support because they never requested support. But with Bush ya know, he goes alone and then says "Please send us troops even though we basically gave you all the finger back then"

[Bond]

Originally Posted by Jonbo298

I know that somethings didn't go as planned or something along those lines.

What are you talking about?

F*ck you, we are going alone

No, there is and was a coalition of thirity-two countries.

Let's find a new issue other than Iraq to mindlessly argue about, ok?

[Neo]

Originally Posted by Bond

No, there is and was a coalition of thirity-two countries.

Each of which was indespensible to the war effort. Especially Albania - Or some country that sounds like it.

[Jonbo298]

Originally Posted by Bond

Let's find a new issue other than Iraq to mindlessly argue about, ok?

Ok. Something besides Iraq. How about this post I made on the first page.

Originally Posted by Jonbo298

Oh yeah, and I'm not voting for Bush because he wants a constitutional amendment banning same sex marriages. That pisses me off like you wouldn't believe because this is seriously becoming the 1960's/70's all over again except with one variation. I'm not gay but I feel everyone is treated equal. It's said in the constitution we are but yet Republicans think they can ban it because its "immoral". Leave it to the states to decide.

Also, correct me if I'm wrong but he's completely against abortion. I agree with the partial abortion ban but I don't want a full abortion ban. the first 3 months are fine becuase its the mother's child, NOT THE GOVERNMENTS CHILD.

And another reason. He doesn't want stem cell research. That pisses me off just as much as the same sex ban. Stem cell research is gonna bring promising things in the future but when you have an asshole who wants to block research that could one day lead to a cure for many diseases/forms of cancer, thats when I draw the line.

And I also agree that the Patriot Act is making the US look more and more like 1984. Bush took advantage of 9/11 by rushing this bill through congress within months after 9/11 which at that time all but one (black female I believe..can't remember name) voted for it without even reading the bill completely (thats my opinion but its basically true). If they took the time to read it, they would've said no to quite a few things in it but back then they were brainwashed, IMO.

and btw..I'm no political expert or anything. I skew some things by accident. Its human nature. Tear me apart

[Rumpelstilzchen]

Originally Posted by Jonbo298

I think by now we know Strangler that you hate the UN. I know that somethings didn't go as planned or something along those lines. But when you tell a "league of nations" the UN (that your on) F*ck you, we are going alone, it rings a bell to the other countries. They start thinking differently about the US. If any other country in the UN told them "Screw you, we are gonna fight that country without your support" other countries would look at that country, laugh, and never give support because they never requested support. But with Bush ya know, he goes alone and then says "Please send us troops even though we basically gave you all the finger back then"

There's a closed-minded person. You're looking at the issue from one perspective. Might I suggest you take a second to see the other perspective?

- "We're going to do what the UN was designed to do, and actually aim to help the condition of the world. Who's with us?"
- "Go **** yourself, US. We're not interested. We like the condition of the Middle East... it was good ever since World War I, when we screwed it up in the first place."
- "That's not right at all... somebody's gotta do it, and I'm not going to let the inadequacy of my shipmates keep me from docking on this plan to refurbish the East in the Middle."


There's a fine line between knowing whether it was the UN that betrayed the United States, or the United States that betrayed the UN.
That line, sadly and apparently, is Conservative or Liberal. And by God, we did "Liberate" Iraq.