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Originally Posted by Neo
If they are far outnumbered by the evil people than what is it going to take to bring stability to the region? Should we kill the majority of the population then (not that it would be a great loss). None of us really knows what it will take to bring some semblence of order there. I see us having to stay in Iraq for a long long time. Even when we decide it's safe to leave it's just a matter of time before they start killing each other again. The middle east in general is a giant cess pool that the world would be better off without. Every day I pray for a moderately-sized meteorite to impact in the region and wipe them all out.
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Oh how nice that would be to just wipe out that entire country. But of course we can't think like that (even though I have MANY times), they are people too. Uneducated people, but still people. Stability to that country... well, first of all, Americans can't give it too them. They have to earn it. That is one of the problems I see over there. They never want to do anything by themselves, they are always looking for a free hand out. Americans can't give these people freedom, why because they don't know what it's like to fight for it. Any time a Higher Power (and I don't mean God or Ahla) comes to that country, they just latch on took them like a baby does to a nipple. And they cry to get taken care of. Read the history of these people. They have never really stood up for themselves. So for them to get Stability, they have to figure out what they can do for themselves. And one of the biggest things they have to do is get their country an Education. We always here that Education is the greatest power, and I don't know about you guys, but I always just kind of shunned that comment. That was until I met a whole country that had little education. Now I see that is so true. Money isn't power, because somebody smarter then you will come in and take it from you. So the short of the answer is Stability = Education. That is what it's going to take to help that country over there. Have people start to think by themselves.
It's funny. Everytime I talked with somebody with a real college education (ones from different countries... America, Europe, Australia), they always make the comments on how we should just kill off all the prisoners and crimials in Iraq. And how that would make Iraq a better place. And I would always comment, that would leave a small group of people. He would laugh and say, I know. We could start from scratch again.
And of course this still wouldn't sovle the problem. If these people really want their country, they would fight for it. And not from Americans, because we are trying to give it too them, but from the evil dictators that always seem to come into power.
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Originally Posted by thatmariolover
... We need to get more of the world involved (of course if we do that we're going to have to be careful who comes in).
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Come on now, half of the world hates us for going in there. They think we are doing it for the wrong reasons. Nobody is going to help us, they don't want to help us. The US Armed Forces are the world police, nobody is going to want to help us. Are you going to want to help a cop during a shoot out? Or stop somebody from robbing a back? Most people won't, because it's the police job to take care of that bussiness, it's the same frame of thought with taking care of the world, everybody expects America to do it. And I'm not taking away from the countries that are already down there helping us. But when I was working with the Polish and Thias, they barely left the base, it was the Americans to do the dirty work. Perfect expample, remember Karbala? (sp?) And how ugly it was done there? Well the Polish and Thias were already down there for at least a good year before we got there and it was nasty down there. Why? Because they didn't want to do the dirty work, they waited until the Americans to come to clean up that city.
It was horrible, I remember this one time that two of the Polish soliders got killed, us Americans where blamed for that. The Polish were really pissed at us for a while and we were living with them. Now that was hard.
Sorry about the post being so long guys.
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