CNN.com: 79% say Kerry won debate

[Blackmane]

Originally Posted by Typhoid

Possibly it will.

Kerry has said numerous times he wants to gain respect for America in the world through diplomacy, not force.

Im not saying that guarantees anything, im just saying its better than the diplomatic talks Bush is doing. But I like Kerry, because while he seems all uppity about keeping a strong military, he also wants to establish better communications (lack of better word) with other countries so they respect the US more.

Diplomacy or not, these countries are not going to follow us any faster. It is ridiculous to think that having a different leader is going to change other countries opinion of America in general. People don't like us not because we are a powerful nation so much as they dislike us for what we stand for.

Besides, Kerry says he can unite the world with diplomacy, but those are just empty words. I can guarantee he doesn't know any other nation leader that has spoken to him and said, "If you are elected, we will follow you." or even a, "If you did a better job than Bush did and were nicer to us, we will be more friendly to you." Kerry's assumptions are meaningless because they have no backing.

Now, I'm not saying it can't be done, but I mean, that is his MAIN support for how he will fight the war in Iraq better. In fact, I don't remember him mentioning ANY other way that he would fight the war in Iraq better. If that is the only thing he plans to do differently, then why should I vote for him?

Its funny because we have the support of 30 nations, but because we don't have France, Germany, and Russia, everybody thinks that we are fighting this alone. Eh, I guess they are all that matters.

Oh, and Kerry's plan for removing Russia's extra uncontrolled nuclear material is based on the Russian's support as well. I can almost guarantee he won't get it done in 4 years.

[The Germanator]

Originally Posted by Blackmane

Its funny because we have the support of 30 nations, but because we don't have France, Germany, and Russia, everybody thinks that we are fighting this alone. Eh, I guess they are all that matters.

Yeah, those 30 other countries that have contributed a whopping 10% of the economic costs and 10% of the troops in the war. The U.S is basically fighting it alone.

[Blackmane]

Originally Posted by The Germanator

Yeah, those 30 other countries that have contributed a whopping 10% of the economic costs and 10% of the troops in the war. The U.S is basically fighting it alone.

Oh, and I suppose France will come in and throw in 20% or more? That's wishful thinking. IF they contributed ever, it would be similiar to Great Britain's contributions.

[hostilecrayon]

I agree that Kerry isn't much better than Bush. He has unstable voting records and a lot of contraversy follows him around. However, I still think he's better than Bush. Bush has done nothing but screw up. He pissed off a lot of our allies, he went to war and then went "Oops, what we went for wasn't true." I'd rathar give Kerry a chance than knowingly re-elect someone I'm sure doesn't know what he's doing.

You want to talk about useless catch phrases...

"Help is on the way"

"Reporting for duty!"

Hey, I never said he doesn't use them. They both do. As a matter of fact, 98% of what comes out of either of their mouths happen to be fallacious arguments or lies. It's the way politics work today, sadly.

[GiMpY-wAnNaBe]

Originally Posted by Blackmane

People don't like us not because we are a powerful nation so much as they dislike us for what we stand for.
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what DO you stand for?

I personally have a skewed and lower vision of America since after Bush entered the white house, i dislike America for it's leader's actions, but have nothing against Americans themselves.