What religion are you?

[Joeiss]

Originally Posted by dropCGCF

So the bible's author is God? Wrong. According to christioans, it's "divine intervention" given to the hands of mortals through God. Don't you think some of these people could have been making this stuff up? Maybe they were high on shrooms.

I never said God wrote the bible. I said proof of his existence is through the bible, because as you stated, the bible was written through diving intervention. Since the writers' words were inspired by God (which is what I believe) that proves to me that there is a God.

Originally Posted by dropCGCF

The Catholic church has constantly held their beliefs, because they were "sent from god". The Catholics wanted Copernicus killed because he had the crazy idea that our universe is heliocentric. The bible is infallable? The bible was a book written by MEN. That is why it is at fault.

The bible is a book written by MEN inspired by GOD.

Originally Posted by dropCGCF

If God was all powerful, why would he care on spreading his word? That's like the president coming up to you and reminding you that he is such. It's illogical.

We must believe in God's son Jesus to gain access to heaven. So are you saying that you believe there is a God? And of course He cares about us, he loves us because we are God's children.

Originally Posted by dropCGCF

I love how you keep coming up with Biblical examples why the Bible is the word of God. I could tell you all day that I am god. I'll even write a book about it. Does that make me God? It could, just as well as the bible could be the word of god. If you believe so blindly about this, get your system checked.

You really do not have to be so rude, man. Like seriously. You must understand that I have my beliefs, and you have yours. Understand that I believe that the Bible is God's word, written by men. That is what I believe in, so please do not act like such a dick towards me. Grow up.

Originally Posted by dropCGCF

The bible is symbolism. Why don't people get that? Things were written in numbers not because they were SPECIFIC countings, they were symbolic representations. The bible is not a law. Any law is subject to change. Where would we be now in America if the Constitution was not changed? The bible was a guideline for law that the framers had in mind for THAT time.

Again, you believe the bible is symbolism, and I don't. Do you know what I want to get? I want to get why people don't understand that the Bible is not symbolism.

Originally Posted by dropCGCF

Science has consistently and thoroughly proved religion wrong. Religion is a scare tactic. I know priests. As I said before, I listened to them talking while inebriated. People need religion in their life because it makes them feel important, more than that tiny nano-molecule of pathetic existence in a vast, uncountable universe without end. If it brings comfort to you at the end of the day, wouldn't you believe it? Why do you think America doesn't show you about all the innocent kids we kill every day to protect what we have?

Please provide me with some scientific examples that science has proven religion wrong, please. You know priests? Or do you know one priest? Or do you know all of them? Religion does not make me feel important. Actually, I am nothing compared to God. He is the all powerful, and I am his servant. But you know what? I wouldn't have it any other way.

Originally Posted by dropCGCF

Religion is just something weak people ned to have so they have a reason to exist without making something out of their lives.

Again, that is your opinion, but I must say it is a pretty ignorant one. I am going to university to become an accountant, and I plan to get married, have beautiful kids and a successful career. Is that not making something out of my life?

[dropCGCF]

Originally Posted by Joeiss

I never said God wrote the bible. I said proof of his existence is through the bible, because as you stated, the bible was written through diving intervention. Since the writers' words were inspired by God (which is what I believe) that proves to me that there is a God.

You're still not giving me any proof of that. Men could have written it uninpired.

We must believe in God's son Jesus to gain access to heaven. So are you saying that you believe there is a God? And of course He cares about us, he loves us because we are God's children.

I don't believe Jesus was the son of god. I'm not going to Heaven? Jesus would be pretty vain if he said we needed to acknowledge him to come to his eternal party.

You really do not have to be so rude, man. Like seriously. You must understand that I have my beliefs, and you have yours. Understand that I believe that the Bible is God's word, written by men. That is what I believe in, so please do not act like such a dick towards me. Grow up.

I'm just trying to get proof for your beliefs. Believing one sacred doctrine is terrible, especcially when people hand me pamphlets telling me to convert to their twisted beliefs. What if the Bible left something out? What should the law do then?

you believe the bible is symbolism, and I don't. Do you know what I want to get? I want to get why people don't understand that the Bible is not symbolism.

How was the earth created in two different ways? Maybe it was created twice. The bible contradicts itself many times because it is reworking the original beliefs. The Bible was not written all at once, so some things must have changed in the way of law and society, no?

Please provide me with some scientific examples that science has proven religion wrong, please.

Is the earth flat? I also forgot that the universe revolves around the earth. Sorry.

Again, that is your opinion, but I must say it is a pretty ignorant one. I am going to university to become an accountant, and I plan to get married, have beautiful kids and a successful career. Is that not making something out of my life?

So you're counting money. I thought the Bible said that money and greed go hand in hand? Surely such a religious man would be eager to sell all his posessions and live day by day. Oh wait, that's not convenient. I don't see yoiu giving the money you provide a greedy ISP to a poor, starving child, do I? A man once greater than me said;
"I'd like to become a Christian, but alas I have never met one." the true believers, I would hope you agree, are actually practicing their faith rather than preaching it. It's what I do every day.

From the SKEPTIC mailing list:

First, the Christian:
How do you know your god exists?
The Bible says so.
How do you know the Bible tells the truth?
I have faith.
What if the Bible is wrong and your god doesn't exist?
That's impossible.

Now the physicist:
How do you know charge comes in discrete packets?
When you do this thing with an oil drop and an electric field, it shows the discrete nature of charge.
How do you know that?
Here's the protocol. Try it out yourself if you wish.
What if the experiment is wrong, and charge is continuous?
That would be a great discovery.

[Bond]

Originally Posted by dropCGCF

You're still not giving me any proof of that. Men could have written it uninpired.

That's the point. You need proof and have no faith.

I don't believe Jesus was the son of god. I'm not going to Heaven? Jesus would be pretty vain if he said we needed to acknowledge him to come to his eternal party.

Who are you to say what Jesus should or should not do?

I'm just trying to get proof for your beliefs. Believing one sacred doctrine is terrible, especcially when people hand me pamphlets telling me to convert to their twisted beliefs. What if the Bible left something out? What should the law do then?

Religion comes from tradition and scripture. You're obviously missing the first part.

How was the earth created in two different ways? Maybe it was created twice. The bible contradicts itself many times because it is reworking the original beliefs. The Bible was not written all at once, so some things must have changed in the way of law and society, no?

The creation stories aren't truth, but simple stories to explain how we came to be.

Is the earth flat? I also forgot that the universe revolves around the earth. Sorry.

LOL. You're so funny.

So you're counting money. I thought the Bible said that money and greed go hand in hand? Surely such a religious man would be eager to sell all his posessions and live day by day. Oh wait, that's not convenient. I don't see yoiu giving the money you provide a greedy ISP to a poor, starving child, do I? A man once greater than me said;
"I'd like to become a Christian, but alas I have never met one." the true believers, I would hope you agree, are actually practicing their faith rather than preaching it. It's what I do every day.

Every Christian should strive to act as Jesus did, but it is unrealistic to have everyone running around as a Jesus. Then we would be in heaven, yes?

From the SKEPTIC mailing list:

First, the Christian:
How do you know your god exists?
The Bible says so.
How do you know the Bible tells the truth?
I have faith.
What if the Bible is wrong and your god doesn't exist?
That's impossible.

Now the physicist:
How do you know charge comes in discrete packets?
When you do this thing with an oil drop and an electric field, it shows the discrete nature of charge.
How do you know that?
Here's the protocol. Try it out yourself if you wish.
What if the experiment is wrong, and charge is continuous?
That would be a great discovery.

And your point is?

[Typhoid]

Originally Posted by Bond

Who are you to say what Jesus should or should not do?

So then your implying that Jesus wont let us into heaven if we dont believ in him? Now, do you mean believe in him in the sense as the son of God, or as a person. Because Muslims believe Jesus was real....he just wasn't the son of God.

That would be a pretty doucheriffic thing to do.

Now, why would Jesus, a person who loves all man and died for our sins, not want us to be saved eternally and go to heaven for having our own piece of mind? Im sure Jeus would condone that. Im sure Jesus would condone not being a sheep and following the herd.


But as the cake song says : "Sheep go to heaven, Goats go to hell."

Figure the meaning out for yourselves.

[Joeiss]

Originally Posted by dropCGCF

So you're counting money. I thought the Bible said that money and greed go hand in hand? Surely such a religious man would be eager to sell all his posessions and live day by day. Oh wait, that's not convenient. I don't see yoiu giving the money you provide a greedy ISP to a poor, starving child, do I?

You mother ****er. How dare you question my commitment to God and to helping others. If you really want to know, I help out at a local foodbank every weekend that I can get home from university. I will definitely be there this upcoming Thanksgiving weekend. I go to church, I donate to the church, and I donate money to charities that I choose. Do not ever question what I will do when I graduate university. First of all, I want to get into a not for profit business and be there accountant. And if that doesn't work out, who cares? How about I become a the CFO for a huge company? Yeah, how about I make millions of dollars? Yeah, even if I do, I will never forget who I believe in, and I will never stop helping out those who are less fortunate.

You really pissed me off with that comment man.

Originally Posted by dropCGCF

A man once greater than me said;
"I'd like to become a Christian, but alas I have never met one." the true believers, I would hope you agree, are actually practicing their faith rather than preaching it. It's what I do every day.

Well first of all, a Christian is one who believe that Jesus is the Son of God.

Second of all, nobody on Earth is perfect. There are many Christians who do great things in the name of God. There are many Christians who sin.

But you know what? If these people realize that they sinned, and tell that to God, they will go to heaven. Therefore, they are still Christians.

[dropCGCF]

Originally Posted by Joeiss

You mother ****er. How dare you question my commitment to God and to helping others. If you really want to know, I help out at a local foodbank every weekend that I can get home from university. I will definitely be there this upcoming Thanksgiving weekend. I go to church, I donate to the church, and I donate money to charities that I choose. Do not ever question what I will do when I graduate university. First of all, I want to get into a not for profit business and be there accountant. And if that doesn't work out, who cares? How about I become a the CFO for a huge company? Yeah, how about I make millions of dollars? Yeah, even if I do, I will never forget who I believe in, and I will never stop helping out those who are less fortunate.

You really pissed me off with that comment man.

I aplologize, it was wrong of me to attack what I didn't know, I should have phrased my point differently. What I'm trying to say is, fundamentally, you're supposed to do EVERYTHING you can to help others. Not just what's comfortable. And Christianity is supposed to be about following every teaching or doing of Jesus. I know some self-professed "Christians" who do nothing of the sort. It's kind of like they use it as a veil to cover up their mistakes. Sin all during the week, go to church, get your slice of Christ, be set for another week. That kind of belief is what pisses me off.

[Joeiss]

Thanks for the apology man. I was super pissed at what you said, haha.

Anyways, I am not sure if my priest made this up or not, but one time he said:

"John didn't go to hell for what he did on Sunday. He went to hell for what he did on Monday."

[Canyarion]

Originally Posted by Joeiss

"John didn't go to hell for what he did on Sunday. He went to hell for what he did on Monday."

Ha I like that one.
This is how it goes so often, people go to church on sunday, but forget God the rest of the week.

And I want to explain again that the bible teaches that there are 3 things you have to do to get 'saved': belief, knowledge, actions.

People who only simply believe it, but don't act like it, are wrong. People who live a good life, but refuse to believe in God (when given the chance), are wrong too.

And the Pope isn't free of sin, far from it.

[Typhoid]

Originally Posted by Joeiss

Second of all, nobody on Earth is perfect.

Lets go back to 3 people. I shall name them.

1. Mother Theresa.(sp?)
2. Jesus Christ.
3. Pope John Paul(sp?) (whichever one it is now)


There are probably more, but meh.

What horrific unperfect things have these people done?

[Joeiss]

I meant other than Jesus, lol.

And you can sin in your thoughts too. NOBODY IS PERFECT (except for Jesus).