What religion are you?

[Canyarion]

Originally Posted by Typhoid

But really, what kind of lord would care if you believe in him or not? It sounds like one of those attention starved toddlers that will piss you off unless you pay attention to them and constantly look at them. And if you dont pay attention to that toddler, he will "put you through hell" and destroy things in your house. Anything to get your attention.

Ok put it this way: you build an appartment and you let people live in it. Those people really mess up, they make the place dirty, they fight with eachother.. even worse, they don't pay their rent and hate you for no good reasons.

Would you be interested in them? Would you let them go on? Or would you stop them and give those few 'good' renters a chance?

Originally Posted by Typhoid

And one last question, what religion were the people who said the world was going to end in the year 2000?

Dunno, it wasn't us.

Originally Posted by Typhoid

But yes, I believe there is a higher power, but not God, in any form. Like Drop said, I dont think any book, or our minds can encompass him. We can barely encompass our own existance.

But what if this high power WANTED us to (slightly) comprehend him? He could keep things simple for us, right? Being powerful doesn't mean no one can know anything about you....

Anyway, I'm getting tired of argueing, so I won't be posting much here.

[Typhoid]

Originally Posted by Canyarion

Ok put it this way: you build an appartment and you let people live in it. Those people really mess up, they make the place dirty, they fight with eachother.. even worse, they don't pay their rent and hate you for no good reasons.

Your analogy is slightly wrong.

Your saying we all live in the apartment god created, so we fight and whatnot, and hate him for no reason.

But you forgot to put that god also created the tennants of that apartment.

I could not hate my own creation. Its like saying you hate your child.

[Kitana85]

My philosphy professor seems to... hate his kids I mean... and they are both under the age of 5.

[Blackmane]

Well, that is dumb that he hates his kids. I don't think I could ever hate a child of mine.

[Canyarion]

Originally Posted by Typhoid

Your analogy is slightly wrong.

Your saying we all live in the apartment god created, so we fight and whatnot, and hate him for no reason.

But you forgot to put that god also created the tennants of that apartment.

I could not hate my own creation. Its like saying you hate your child.

Well if you have a son that denies that you exist, goes his own way, does malice to others, won't listen to you and kills your other kids, would you still love him?

[Typhoid]

Originally Posted by Canyarion

Well if you have a son that denies that you exist, goes his own way, does malice to others, won't listen to you and kills your other kids, would you still love him?

Well, its hard to say something you can see doesnt exist.
I would encourage my kids to have their own piece of mind.

Analogies can only go so far. You cant bring God into a physical world analogy like this. Considering hes not physical.

But yes, i would love my kids no matter what they did. They are still my flesh and blood. My creation. I made them.

EDIT: Think of religion and heaven like a math problem.

There isnt only one method to get to the final solution.

[Classic Rocker]

We are not God's children. If we were, we would be perfect. We are children of Adam. None of us are sons and daughters of God.

I'm a strong believer in the placebo effect. Your mind could be anything if you wanted it to. There is so much negative influence all around. People tellling you what you are not. If you strongly believe in something, it will turn true. Use that to your advantage.

[D-realJos]

Originally Posted by Classic Rocker

We are not God's children. If we were, we would be perfect. We are children of Adam. None of us are sons and daughters of God.

One can't make that claim UNLESS they have experienced BOTH the life of a sinner AND the truly righteous life of one that Jesus Christ have SAVED(a saved person sins no more, and that's ONLY the "tip of the iceberg")

"But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become SONS OF GOD, even to them that believe on his name:" -- John 1:12

All my life I wondered how can we possibly live perfectly as Christ lived perfectly, especially since we are born sinners into this sinful world and are constantanly influenced by its wickedness. I finally understand, recently, -- that is; by experience. The gospel is true. All along it was true!

I will tell all when I'm ready, and most will hear and still not believe, even them that "knew" me. But blessed is he who have "ears" ... who have ears to hear, let him hear...

[Freudiana]

Originally Posted by Typhoid

These arguments are pointless.

When we (agnostic/athiest) ask the religious people questions, they just end up quoting the Bible, or going back to something about the bible. Like a safety net or something. They cannot encompass a life without a higher power, because they have been brought up with it.
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question; how come u say "we agnost/atheist", i dont understand why ppl use both terms in one sentence, there are many differences, I am an agnost and do not like to be referred to in one line with atheist; atheist believe to, they believe in something _absolute_ ("there is no God..").

My question: whats ur motivation for suggesting there is something in common (or perhaps u didnt mean to suggest that..?)

(u seem to make a specification: religous ppl versus agnost and atheist. I'd see the atheist rather on the 'religious ppl síde (the same graduation of 'believe' and 'fanatics', yet about something the opposite), but either way, it is not this or that imho)

[Teuthida]

I don't think he was trying to group them into one singular catagory but rather use the two merely as an example in questioning those who blindly believe in their religion. I suppose you could make the case that an atheist could be classified as such too, but then you would be getting the inverse of how a Godhead believer (to not just call them "religious people" since you feel atheists are such, though in fact they are the antithesis of what the ture definition of a religious person is) would try to prove their point. If an agnostic isn't sure that God exists or not, wouldn't it be logical that he too would ask a Christian the same questions an atheist would? If perhaps to simply gain a better understanding as to why they believe in such?

[DarrenMcLeod]

I'm Catholic, suckas.

[Acebot44]

Agnostic now

[CHRISnwoCHRIS]

I see Gamemaster is still the most unlikeable person on the internet...

Anyways, I completely agree with what Typhoid said regarding religions and where you come from. I mean just use your head, if you were born in, like, Saudi Arabia, you'd probably be muslim. It seems that for the most part, what your family or what all the people around you believe in, that's what you believe in. So if the North American catholics/christians for example here were born in Saudi or Lebanon or whatever and taught muslim or some other religious beleifs, would you be wrong?

And I do know not every single person believes what they were born into, but that takes up the majority... And in that same subject, look how many religions there are. What are the chances that YOURS is right? You could say the same thing about NOT being religious, but that's way different. Science learns new things every day. Nobody has solid proof of how we were all created YET, but who's to say they'll never find out? Like I said they keep finding out new things, so it's at least a possiblilty.

Add to that, everything in religion sounds like a blatant fairy-tale and you can't deny that. IMO, religion is just the oldest fairy tale the world knows.

[Canyarion]

Welcome back.

Still Jehovah's Witness.