GameTavern's Election '04 Coverage

[Vampyr]

Originally Posted by The Germanator

Eh, I just made the post.

I don't know. I'm still upset about this, and I'm still having a hard time accepting this defeat. I just cannot believe that so many people want to put that man back in office after all the things he has done. So many people polled nationally believed that the war in Iraq wasn't going well at all (a 60-70% I believe) yet they vote for the candidate that has more or less caused this mess? I just do not understand it and never will, but again, politics have never affected my personal life all that much so far, and hopefully they won't now either, but it's still dissapointing.

Crono told me a long time ago that the only flaw with democracy is that it is ruled by the majority, and the majority of the people are stupid.

There has never been a finer display of this than now. I cannot believe Kerry lost. Me and my dad are extremely dissapointed. We had a mock election last week in school, and Bush won it by two votes, and I hoped it wasn't a bad omen.

Today when I got to school there were a BUNCH of people celebrating because Bush was ahead. Every time I said I was for Kerry there would be a few people look at me with disgust. I asked them why they were so strongely supportive of Bush. I KNEW what they would say. I KNEW exactly what they would tell me, and that's why I ask. What did everyone say?

"He's against the queers!"

I gave them hell for that. I dont feel like I really need to exlplain why. But I will anyway. I simly replied, "Well, if your side wins, and Bush is re-elected, and he DOES make gay marriage illegal, what then? How did that help you any at all? How did you benefit from it? Maybe instead of paying attention to this big "major" issue that the media is feeding you, you should actually look into what he stands for. If you're still with him, then I'll respect you."

I am willing to bet that 90% of the people in Kentucky that voted for Bush voted for him because he was against Gay marriage.

I dont mind Bush supporters. I just hate the fact that my state is so incredibly stupid.

Against the gays are they? If someone was dumb enough to still be arguing against me at that point I played off of what I knew they did that was considered a "sin". All this "anti gay" supporters liked to preach to me that God damned some guy in the bible to hell for being homosexual. So I just replied, "Have you ever lied? Been jealous? Had premarital sex? If you have, then you are on the same level as homosexuals in God's eyes, because a sin is a sin, and if you want the bible to dictate our laws, then ALL of that has to be illegal."

I just wanted to vent that.

I'm so dissapointed. All this bad media Bush has gotten over the past four years. I dont want to see any more of it. None. America elected him.

At least I can vote in the next election.

[Neo]

Originally Posted by Vampyr

Today when I got to school there were a BUNCH of people celebrating because Bush was ahead. Every time I said I was for Kerry there would be a few people look at me with disgust. I asked them why they were so strongely supportive of Bush. I KNEW what they would say. I KNEW exactly what they would tell me, and that's why I ask. What did everyone say?

"He's against the queers!"

They don't know any better. I also suspect, however, that calling terrorism the primary issue was a smoke screen to hide their true reasons for voting which were based on fear and misunderstanding.

Don't lose faith, Bush's election is a temporary setback. The democrats will live to fight another day.

[Vampyr]

Originally Posted by Neo

They don't know any better. I also suspect, however, that calling terrorism the primary issue was a smoke screen to hide their true reasons for voting which were based on fear and misunderstanding.

Don't lose faith, Bush's election is a temporary setback. The democrats will live to fight another day.

It's hard for me no to lose faith. The Democrats lost even more ground in this election. We keep a republican president, and he is going to get the opportunity to elect 3 or 4 more conservative republican Justices to the supreme court, and I think there are even more Republicans in the house and senate than there were before the election.

We are in a bad spot right now. Hopefully the democrats can pull off something spectacular in the coming elections.

And I understand what you are saying Game...I just feel that religion doesnt have a place in our laws and government. Government governs society, religion should govern your life, if you are a religious person at all.

[Neo]

Kerry wasn't for gay marriage. He thinks marriage is between a man and a woman. He just didn't think the Constitution needed to be amended for that purpose. He was considering civil unions.

[Dylflon]

I don't understand why peopel are so against gay marriage or gay people in general in the first place. What exactly is it about what they're doing that is so wrong?

And hell, they're people too. Don't they deserve the same rights we enjoy.

I think it's only closed minded people that gay bash. And it truly makes me sad to see so much intolerence and hatred. I judge someone on whether or not they're a good person, not who the have sex with or marry.

[The Germanator]

Just so you know...

POLICY TOWARD SAME-SEX COUPLES

Legally Marry (25%)
Civil Unions (35%)
No Legal Recognition (37%)

These are the percentages of everyone that voted on Tuesday. And while only a quarter think that Gays should be married, it is at least somewhat encouraging that about 60% want some kind of legal recognition. It isn't 100% as it should be, but it's honestly not as bad as I thought...

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pag.../epolls.0.html

[Acebot44]

Gay relations shouldnt be a problem, but meh, whatever.

Check this out. Try to save the pic of Bush and Wife to see what the file name is .

And

[Jonbo298]

I was hoping for a Kerry win but I'm gonna deal with 4 more years of job loss and Bush even taking our deficit deeper for stupid ass reasons. It's becoming hell in the Government because now Republicans control/have a majority in the Senate, Congress, and the White House. Kind of eery/scary.

But as for people against gay marriage. They can go to hell and burn for all I care. Gays/Lesbians are no different then us. I call this issue the new form of racism. It's not by definition racism but I look at it as that. Who gives a **** about moral issues on this. They should have the same rights as everyone else. Attempt to disagree with me and I'll be back in this thread, rest assuredly.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Dylflon

I don't understand why peopel are so against gay marriage or gay people in general in the first place. What exactly is it about what they're doing that is so wrong?

And hell, they're people too. Don't they deserve the same rights we enjoy.

I think it's only closed minded people that gay bash. And it truly makes me sad to see so much intolerence and hatred. I judge someone on whether or not they're a good person, not who the have sex with or marry.

I don't really care if gay marriage is legalized or not. But, I'm sorry, I just couldn't stand seeing two men kiss in public (two women would be ok... but I would be seriously upset to see two guys). As long as they do what they want to do (kiss, hold hands in public... whatever) when I'm not around, then I don't really care.

[Neo]

Originally Posted by Vampyr

It's hard for me no to lose faith. The Democrats lost even more ground in this election. We keep a republican president, and he is going to get the opportunity to elect 3 or 4 more conservative republican Justices to the supreme court, and I think there are even more Republicans in the house and senate than there were before the election.

We are in a bad spot right now. Hopefully the democrats can pull off something spectacular in the coming elections.

A cornered animal is the most dangerous kind. This forced re-evaluation within the democratic party will do wonders for them. They need to learn to be strong again and not give the appearance of weakness. Their desire to foster good will abroad is admirable and probably the best thing for us, but the American people don't want to hear that **** when they're pissed off at terrorists. Democrats also have to tap in to the religious base. The far left may feel slighted but they'll soon realize they have no choice. This may cause the Naders and Badnariks to get more votes but it shouldn't be too significant.

I believe senator Blanche Lincoln of Arkansas would be an excellent candidate. She has a history of appealing to the moderate base and she represents the south. Plus her last name "Lincoln" creates a subtle association with the previous Lincoln. That may sound stupid but it's how the human mind works.

[Vampyr]

Originally Posted by Neo

Kerry wasn't for gay marriage. He thinks marriage is between a man and a woman. He just didn't think the Constitution needed to be amended for that purpose. He was considering civil unions.

If you were saying that to me, then yeah, I know. It's exactly the same thing I am supporting. I believe that by definition "marriage" is between a man and a woman, but gay couples should be allowed to have unions that offer the EXACT same rights as a marriage does to a man and woman.

Originally Posted by Neo

A cornered animal is the most dangerous kind. This forced re-evaluation within the democratic party will do wonders for them. They need to learn to be strong again and not give the appearance of weakness. Their desire to foster good will abroad is admirable and probably the best thing for us, but the American people don't want to hear that **** when they're pissed off at terrorists. Democrats also have to tap in to the religious base. The far left may feel slighted but they'll soon realize they have no choice. This may cause the Naders and Badnariks to get more votes but it shouldn't be too significant.

I believe senator Blanche Lincoln of Arkansas would be an excellent candidate. She has a history of appealing to the moderate base and she represents the south. Plus her last name "Lincoln" creates a subtle association with the previous Lincoln. That may sound stupid but it's how the human mind works.

I made my post in the other read before reading this. You are right of course. It's just that sometimes I get the feeling only I am seeing that the democrats are failing horribly. But they wouldnt be polititians for nothing, and if anyone can get us out of this scrape it's them. I'm sure they'll work it out. Do you know how many seats in the house will be open for re-election 2 years from now?

And you're right on the last part too. "Honest Abe" has made the name "Lincoln" sound very friendly and very very respectable. It would help her in the election.

[Acebot44]

Here's something to laugh at. Michael Moore letter:

11/5/04

Dear Friends,

Ok, it sucks. Really sucks. But before you go and cash it all in, let's, in
the words of Monty Python, 'always look on the bright side of life!' There
IS some good news from Tuesday's election.

Here are 17 reasons not to slit your wrists:

1. It is against the law for George W. Bush to run for president again.

2. Bush's victory was the NARROWEST win for a sitting president since
Woodrow Wilson in 1916.

3. The only age group in which the majority voted for Kerry was young adults
(Kerry: 54%, Bush: 44%), proving once again that your parents are always
wrong and you should never listen to them.

4. In spite of Bush's win, the majority of Americans still think the
country is headed in the wrong direction (56%), think the war wasn't worth fighting (51%), and don't approve of the job George W. Bush is doing (52%). (Note to foreigners: Don't try to figure this one out. It's an American thing, like Pop Tarts.)

5. The Republicans will not have a filibuster-proof 60-seat majority in the
Senate. If the Democrats do their job, Bush won't be able to pack the
Supreme Court with right-wing ideologues. Did I say "if the Democrats do
their job?" Um, maybe better to scratch this one.

6. Michigan voted for Kerry! So did the entire Northeast, the birthplace of
our democracy. So did 6 of the 8 Great Lakes States. And the whole West
Coast! Plus Hawaii. Ok, that's a start. We've got most of the fresh water,
all of Broadway, and Mt. St. Helens. We can dehydrate them or bury them in
lava. And no more show tunes!

7. Once again we are reminded that the buckeye is a nut, and not just any
old nut -- a poisonous nut. A great nation was felled by a poisonous nut.
May Ohio State pay dearly this Saturday when it faces Michigan.

8. 88% of Bush's support came from white voters. In 50 years, America will
no longer have a white majority. Hey, 50 years isn't such a long time! If
you're ten years old and reading this, your golden years will be truly
golden and you will be well cared for in your old age.

9. Gays, thanks to the ballot measures passed on Tuesday, cannot get married
in 11 new states. Thank God. Just think of all those wedding gifts we won't
have to buy now.

10. Five more African Americans were elected as members of Congress,
including the return of Cynthia McKinney of Georgia. It's always good to
have more blacks in there fighting for us and doing the job our candidates
can't.

11. The CEO of Coors was defeated for Senate in Colorado. Drink up!

12. Admit it: We like the Bush twins and we don't want them to go away.

13. At the state legislative level, Democrats picked up a net of at least 3
chambers in Tuesday's elections. Of the 98 partisan-controlled state
legislative chambers (house/assembly and senate), Democrats went into the
2004 elections in control of 44 chambers, Republicans controlled 53
chambers, and 1 chamber was tied. After Tuesday, Democrats now control 47
chambers, Republicans control 49 chambers, 1 chamber is tied and 1 chamber
(Montana House) is still undecided.

14. Bush is now a lame duck president. He will have no greater moment than
the one he's having this week. It's all downhill for him from here on out --
and, more significantly, he's just not going to want to do all the hard work
that will be expected of him. It'll be like everyone's last month in 12th
grade -- you've already made it, so it's party time! Perhaps he'll treat the
next four years like a permanent Friday, spending even more time at the
ranch or in Kennebunkport. And why shouldn't he? He's already proved his
point, avenged his father and kicked our ass.

15. Should Bush decide to show up to work and take this country down a very
dark road, it is also just as likely that either of the following two
scenarios will happen: a) Now that he doesn't ever need to pander to the
Christian conservatives again to get elected, someone may whisper in his ear
that he should spend these last four years building "a legacy" so that
history will render a kinder verdict on him and thus he will not push for
too aggressive a right-wing agenda; or cool.gif He will become so cocky and
arrogant -- and thus, reckless -- that he will commit a blunder of such
major proportions that even his own party will have to remove him from
office.

16. There are nearly 300 million Americans -- 200 million of them of voting
age. We only lost by three and a half million! That's not a landslide -- it
means we're almost there. Imagine losing by 20 million. If you had 58 yards
to go before you reached the goal line and then you barreled down 55 of
those yards, would you stop on the three yard line, pick up the ball and go
home crying -- especially when you get to start the next down on the three
yard line? Of course not! Buck up! Have hope! More sports analogies are
coming!!!

17. Finally and most importantly, over 55 million Americans voted for the
candidate dubbed "The #1 Liberal in the Senate." That's more than the total
number of voters who voted for either Reagan, Bush I, Clinton or Gore.
Again, more people voted for Kerry than Reagan. If the media are looking for
a trend it should be this -- that so many Americans were, for the first time
since Kennedy, willing to vote for an out-and-out liberal. The country has
always been filled with evangelicals -- that is not news. What IS news is
that so many people have shifted toward a Massachusetts liberal. In fact,
that's BIG news. Which means, don't expect the mainstream media, the ones
who brought you the Iraq War, to ever report the real truth about November
2, 2004. In fact, it's better that they don't. We'll need the element of
surprise in 2008.

Feeling better? I hope so. As my friend Mort wrote me yesterday, "My
Romanian grandfather used to say to me, 'Remember, Morton, this is such a
wonderful country -- it doesn't even need a president!'"

But it needs us. Rest up, I'll write you again tomorrow.

Yours,

Michael Moore
MMFlint@aol.com
www.michaelmoore.com

[Typhoid]

6. Michigan voted for Kerry! So did the entire Northeast, the birthplace of
our democracy. So did 6 of the 8 Great Lakes States. And the whole West
Coast! Plus Hawaii. Ok, that's a start. We've got most of the fresh water,
all of Broadway, and Mt. St. Helens. We can dehydrate them or bury them in
lava. And no more show tunes!

This one has me in tears.

Hahahahaa.....oooooooooo your god it was hilarious.

[GameMaster]

Now that the election is over, will Neo and Blackmane be returning to their respective Fortresses of Solitude? It was sure nice to have you guys posting here again even if most of it was in here.

I was really hopeful that John Kerry would win and now I'm quite sad. My first voting was supposed to be a magical one, where the candidate I chose would win, instead it will be remembered as one of defeat.

[TheGame]

The funny part is... people don't understand that so many people in this country are so strongly against Gay Marriage (aka imorrality justified by law) that they would vote against somone who supports it for that reason alone. Its funny how pop culture and TV feeds this to kids every day like its 'normal' and acceptable, yet when there is an actual vote on it nearly everyone is against it. I'm positive this will change in 10-20 years, but for now that's just how it is. And trying to be a key player in trying to change it now will only gets your a foot in the rear.

Kerry being for gay marriage wasn't the only factor that made me vote for Bush (though it could be for somone else, god bless america), but it was a clear factor. To me what Kerry stood for was simply wrong. He was a guy who would set his own beliefs aside for votes (and if he is a christian that believes Gay marriage and Stem Cell [sp?] recearch is ok that makes him look even worse in my book). He double talked so much that right now I couldn't even say how he would handle the war in Iraq.

Kerry never earned my trust, or my respect. Call me stupid all you want Vampyr.

Even if Kerry would have won, there would be no reason to bitch about it. Bush is our president, the plublic has spoken, accept it, move on, and hope for the best.