Nintendo feels like a broken record

[Ginkasa]

Originally Posted by thatmariolover

Meh. It's always been this way, and yeah I'm frustrated by it. And yeah, I think Nintendo needs to branch out. However, I also like Link, and Mario, and Samus. I mean, I understand that you guys want something new. But When it comes to those titles, I've not disliked one of them. Yeah, they hit me with them a million times, but I still keep buying them and I still keep enjoying them. So I'm not going to bitch. Nintendo needs more 3'rd and 2'nd party support to pick up the slack while they still do what they do.

In all reality, I think people forget that Nintendo is a software company as well as a hardware company. And if you think of it objectively like that, they come out with as many new games that aren't based off of previous franchises as any other software developer. Which is to say, not very often. Capcom will always do Resident Evil, Konami will always do Silent Hill and Resident Evil, and Nintendo is always going to do Mario and Zelda. And I am still going to buy their stuff as long as I enjoy it.

I completely agree. Every developer has their key titles and franchises that gain sequel after sequel. I mean, Capcom is more guilty of the crimes you guys are blaming Nintendo for. Sure, they may have more franchises, but they also milk those individual franchises far more than Nintendo milks their's.

The only difference between Nintendo and Capcom (or Nintendo and any 3rd party developer) would be that Nintendo also is the company behind a console that has very little 3rd party support. Most of the titles on the GCN are actually made by Nintendo. Thus, most of the games are going to be Mario, Zelda, or Samus.

With the PS2 or XBox, any one first or second party game has 10 third party games backing it up. With so much variety, its easier to ignore the lack of originality.

Nintendo is no more guilty of rehashing their franchises than any other developer; they just happened to get caught.

On another note, I, for one, don't mind them using the same franchises so long as those franchises are used well. The Metroid series has so far been better than ever; Zelda's still the greatness it has always been; and even though the Mario "series" has ceased to become a part of the platformer genre, his games are still generally good.

I can't see how anyone could call this stuff "crap."


*shrugs and walks away*

[DarkMaster]

No one ever said Capcom doesn't milk their franchises. They are THE worst company when it comes to rehashes, it's almost laughable now. But there is considerably more pressure on Nintendo to come up with fresh ideas than Capcom. They have a console that relies mainly on the success of first party titles.

[Blackmane]

Maybe I should clarify that I like the original uses of all the characters. I like them in their own game. THe thing I hate is all the franchise gimmicks that are supposed to be revolutionary games like all the Mario sports games. The only gimmick that wasn't a horrible one was Super Smash Bros. (which is a great game, IMO)

Nintendo needs to stop wearing out their franchises (ESPECIALLY Mario) with useless and gimmicky sports titles and variety games and come up with new ideas, freshen up older, less known franchises, and keep the fire on their popular franchises.

[Stonecutter]

I'm sure a lot of people have said this, but PSP will be the end of Nintendo's handheld dominance. I'm not going to claim that it will be better or worse than the DS, but Sony is not going to turn out crap and it's going to sell. Nintendo will still be a player (Playa Playa) but it can kiss its 99% of the market share goodbye within 18 months.

[Jonbo298]

It's a given fact that Nintendo won't keep their share of the handheld market. I think everyone knows that by now

But I think Nintendo shouldn't waste the effort to get the Gamecube online. Put all the work into Revolution and getting an online mode from the start. Tell developers how to use it and make good games to go with it. Use the new console to turn from the mistakes made this gen.

[KillerGremlin]

Originally Posted by Stonecutter

I'm sure a lot of people have said this, but PSP will be the end of Nintendo's handheld dominance. I'm not going to claim that it will be better or worse than the DS, but Sony is not going to turn out crap and it's going to sell. Nintendo will still be a player (Playa Playa) but it can kiss its 99% of the market share goodbye within 18 months.

That's a fairly brave claim, considering that Nintendo has the majority of the handheld market right now, and the DS already has a jump on the PSP. I'm not saying that Sony has no chance, but with the amount of games in development for the DS, compared to the select few titles that aren't ports or don't look bad on the PSP, I'd say that Nintendo is going to hold onto the market for a while. The PSP is graphically superior, but it's going to be much much more expensive any way you slice it. I think the PSP will take over some of the portable market, but it certainly won't knock Nintendo off the map.

[Null]

Originally Posted by KillerGremlin

That's a fairly brave claim, considering that Nintendo has the majority of the handheld market right now, and the DS already has a jump on the PSP. I'm not saying that Sony has no chance, but with the amount of games in development for the DS, compared to the select few titles that aren't ports or don't look bad on the PSP, I'd say that Nintendo is going to hold onto the market for a while. The PSP is graphically superior, but it's going to be much much more expensive any way you slice it. I think the PSP will take over some of the portable market, but it certainly won't knock Nintendo off the map.

Who said it will knock nintendo off the map? he's saying nintendo can kiss its 99% hold of the market goodbye.
Meaning if sony only takes 10%, then nintendos down to 89% and just kissed its 99% goodbye. lol you said yourself sony will take some of the market, so you just proven the point for him.
no ones saying nintendo will get booted off the map. i dont think anyone actually believes that no matter who they think will win that race.

and both DS and PSP have some ports on em. you underestimate the range of games being made on PSP, and as it gets closer to launch, more games are being announced and more developers are signing on.

and im sorry, but $50 isnt much much more expensive. id say thats an unbelievably competitive price from sony.

I'm not saying which is better, im just arguing a few points for the sake of arguing. lol.

[Canyarion]

Originally Posted by StoneCutter

but it can kiss its 99% of the market share goodbye within 18 months.

That's quite an understatement then. I think Nintendo has ALREADY lost 5% of the market. Sony doesn't need 18 months to do that.

Anyway, Nintendo needs new franchises, that's a given.

[KillerGremlin]

Originally Posted by Null

Who said it will knock nintendo off the map? he's saying nintendo can kiss its 99% hold of the market goodbye.
Meaning if sony only takes 10%, then nintendos down to 89% and just kissed its 99% goodbye. lol you said yourself sony will take some of the market, so you just proven the point for him.
no ones saying nintendo will get booted off the map. i dont think anyone actually believes that no matter who they think will win that race.

and both DS and PSP have some ports on em. you underestimate the range of games being made on PSP, and as it gets closer to launch, more games are being announced and more developers are signing on.

and im sorry, but $50 isnt much much more expensive. id say thats an unbelievably competitive price from sony.

I'm not saying which is better, im just arguing a few points for the sake of arguing. lol.

Aye, my bad reading that.

The PSP is a good price, compared to what people thought it would originally be, but we still have to see how much memory and games are going to be.

I think the potential for the PSP is through the roof, and I'm probably going to get it eventually.