IGN wants Zelda murdered in Revolution Zelda Game

GameMaster · 12-16-2004, 08:47 PM

The Legend of Zelda needs to remain the same. Giving this classic story a dark chapter will just result in a flop similar to Prince of Persia 2. It is not in character for Link to be 'dark' or to have an angry edge. That's not who he is. As a child, he is optimistic and righteous. As an adult he bears the same qualities only he is less playful and more serious. If someone who he cares for deeply were to be murdered or something along those lines, Link would not become a jaded rogue only set to seek revenge like Prince of Persia or Anakin Skywalker. That only happens to people who are weak at mind or heart. And Link is not for your information. Therefore, he would mourn for a period of time and after that continue to be heroic and do what is right. Sorry for you all evil fans who like to see good guys become bad. Not going to happen in this story.

Typhoid · 12-16-2004, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by GameMaster

The Legend of Zelda needs to remain the same. Giving this classic story a dark chapter will just result in a flop similar to Prince of Persia 2. It is not in character for Link to be 'dark' or to have an angry edge. That's not who he is. As a child, he is optimistic and righteous. As an adult he bears the same qualities only he is less playful and more serious. If someone who he cares for deeply were to be murdered or something along those lines, Link would not become a jaded rogue only set to seek revenge like Prince of Persia or Anakin Skywalker. That only happens to people who are weak at mind or heart. And Link is not for your information. Therefore, he would mourn for a period of time and after that continue to be heroic and do what is right. Sorry for you all evil fans who like to see good guys become bad. Not going to happen in this story.

But isnt each Link a different person? Meaning like...in each game....isnt it a differnet person named "Link"?

Unless im crazy...

GameMaster · 12-16-2004, 09:00 PM

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But isnt each Link a different person? Meaning like...in each game....isnt it a differnet person named "Link"?

Unless im crazy...

Nope, it's Link in different periods of his life. Legend of Zelda loves to play with time. They always have.

Dyne · 12-16-2004, 09:32 PM

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Nope, it's Link in different periods of his life. Legend of Zelda loves to play with time. They always have.

Miyamoto officially says in each game it's a different Link.

Obviously, some are the same. Like between Zelda 1 and 2, or between Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask.

DarkMaster · 12-16-2004, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by GameMaster

The Legend of Zelda needs to remain the same. Giving this classic story a dark chapter will just result in a flop similar to Prince of Persia 2. It is not in character for Link to be 'dark' or to have an angry edge. That's not who he is. As a child, he is optimistic and righteous. As an adult he bears the same qualities only he is less playful and more serious. If someone who he cares for deeply were to be murdered or something along those lines, Link would not become a jaded rogue only set to seek revenge like Prince of Persia or Anakin Skywalker. That only happens to people who are weak at mind or heart. And Link is not for your information. Therefore, he would mourn for a period of time and after that continue to be heroic and do what is right. Sorry for you all evil fans who like to see good guys become bad. Not going to happen in this story.

Did you even read my post? I talked about all that crap, and how it could be avoided and still get a more mature Zelda game.

And let me clarify this again. When I say mature, I in no one mean darker, grittier, more evil, or anything else relating to those. You don't have to be a foul mouthed, blood thirsty villian to be mature. Try to think of something like LotR. It's epic, it is more mature, but it's still a very fantasy heavy story. It is in no way a PoP2, that is a big example of how to do maturity wrong.

Come on people, don't be afraid of new things. Miyamoto is an artist, and if you want him to do the same damn thing everytime, I suggest you find a new video game creator to idolize.

GameMaster · 12-16-2004, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Dyne

Miyamoto officially says in each game it's a different Link.

Obviously, some are the same. Like between Zelda 1 and 2, or between Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask.

They must be the same Link from different dimensions then because otherwise it would just be weird having different Links. It'd be like having a different Mario in certain Mario games.

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Did you even read my post? I talked about all that crap, and how it could be avoided and still get a more mature Zelda game.

And let me clarify this again. When I say mature, I in no one mean darker, grittier, more evil, or anything else relating to those. You don't have to be a foul mouthed, blood thirsty villian to be mature. Try to think of something like LotR. It's epic, it is more mature, but it's still a very fantasy heavy story. It is in no way a PoP2, that is a big example of how to do maturity wrong.

Come on people, don't be afraid of new things. Miyamoto is an artist, and if you want him to do the same damn thing everytime, I suggest you find a new video game creator to idolize.

Yeah I understand what you're saying I just think mature is the wrong word for what you're describing. Because Return of the King wasn't more 'mature' then the others. It was darker. And I think what you and I are saying is that the Legend of Zelda story can be given a dark chapter. The darkness would just have to be input into the plot rather than the character for it to work.

The Duggler · 12-16-2004, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by GameMaster

They must be the same Link from different dimensions then because otherwise it would just be weird having different Links. It'd be like having a different Mario in certain Mario games.

Haven't you played Wind Waker? Just the intro makes it clear that it's different Links.

KillerGremlin · 12-16-2004, 11:53 PM

I always wanted a Link's Bad Fur Day......but that'll never happen.

*Link drinks beer

"Burp. Zelda, biatch, get yo ass over here for some t-fing."

Yeah......okay, that'll never happen. But maybe a Mario's bad spaghetti day or something. The fact that the new Zelda game in the works is 3D is promising enough for me.

Swan · 12-17-2004, 12:20 AM

That would be interesting to see Link banging a hooker in a stolen car. Except it would have to be a wench on a stolen horse.

Ginkasa · 12-17-2004, 01:19 AM

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A gritty look here, a plot twist there and a couple of cutscene's could add a lot to an already great franchise.

Sure, it would add a lot... of stuff that is unneeded. I know that you enjoy a good cinematic plot in your video games; you've said as much yourself. There's nothing wrong with that. A good story with a nice presentation can go a long way. However, it is not always necessary, and Zelda is an example where it is not.

Zelda has made a name for itself as a pure video gaming experience. The gameplay is simple enough that a young child can have fun with it, but, usually, challenging enough to entertain the most seasoned veteran. The plot is a perfect example of a good vs. evil fairy tale perfectly fit for bedtime storytelling.

The Legend of Zelda is the epitome of mythical stories that entertain and enlighten without having to have a plot twist or big revelation every scene change. Link is the quintessential hero; there is danger to the land and he goes out to slay it. Ganon is classical villain that endangers all that is good and holy.

There is nothing wrong with this. Zelda does not need to be Link's brother. Ganon does not have to be Link's father. Link does not have to be the actual villain with amnesia. These things would only dilute the purity of LoZ's basic story.

I think that with The Wind Waker, the Zelda series has become as complex plot wise as it should be. That has a pretty nice plot twist, and if you tihnk about it, the story itself is pretty depressing.

And if you're simply tired with "save the princess," why? There has not been a single game since A Link to the Past that completely focused on saving Zelda. LA had nothing to do with Zelda. OoT didn't have the princess kidnapped until the very end. MM didn't have her except for a cameo. The Oracle games also revolved very little on saving Zelda (although you did have to save the oracles...). TWW had Zelda actuly helping Link fight Ganon; no damsel in distress there. It doesn't seem like The Minish Cap focuses on it. I haven't played the Four Swords games, and nobody knows about the new GCN Zelda...

I just don't see any reason for the Zelda series to change plotwise. Not at the moment anyway.

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On a side note... GameMaster: There are multiple Links. How many, exactly, depends on your points of view, but there is absolutely no way there can be just one. Same with Zelda.

Get over it.

*shrugs and walks away*

GameMaster · 12-17-2004, 02:31 AM

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Haven't you played Wind Waker? Just the intro makes it clear that it's different Links.

Link from Wind Waker is the same Link. Just a different dimension. Dimensions allow for one person to exist under several different circumstances and lifestyles. In another dimension, you live on an island with your grandmother and sister also. It's nothing shocking. It's something we all have to live with.

Dyne · 12-17-2004, 05:23 AM

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Originally Posted by GameMaster

Link from Wind Waker is the same Link. Just a different dimension. Dimensions allow for one person to exist under several different circumstances and lifestyles. In another dimension, you live on an island with your grandmother and sister also. It's nothing shocking. It's something we all have to live with.

So, how come there's no Link in Termina? Or the Oracle worlds? Those are both different dimensions.

The "Legend" cannot be passed on between dimensions. If dimensions did exist, they'd all be different. And it's obvious the story intro to Wind Waker is alluding the Zeldas before. Different dimensions? No? Different Links? Yes.

GameMaster · 12-17-2004, 06:32 AM

Am I the only one botherd by it? Doesn't anyone else feel let down or frustrated that each game you play is starring someone completley unrelated to the previous adventure? Wouldn't you like to hear Link or another character make reference to a past journey in one of his newer games? What fun is it starting a new adventure when you know the Link hasn't been a part of the old ones?

Dyne · 12-17-2004, 04:16 PM

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So, how come there's no Link in Termina? Or the Oracle worlds? Those are both different dimensions.

The "Legend" cannot be passed on between dimensions. If dimensions did exist, they'd all be different. And it's obvious the story intro to Wind Waker is alluding the Zeldas before. Different dimensions? No? Different Links? Yes.

Well, at least it isn't like Final Fantasy, where the only relationship between the titles is a moogles, chocobos, similar enemies, and "Cid." Storywise, anyhow.