To those with both a DS and PSP... - Page 4

MuGen · 03-31-2005, 12:34 PM

i'm glad someone else realizes the repetition of nintendo's launch titles and release titles....

Dark Samurai · 03-31-2005, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by KillerGremlin

Indeed. I'll tell you this: When Nintendo released the GBA2, I'll be in line getting my PSP. I'm tired of this support Nintendo's lame "inovations." If Nintendo goes through with the GBA2, I predict they will lose the majority of their third party support behind the DS. And if that happens, the DS will literally be useless, especially because much of Nintendo's First Party software is repetitive. MARIO 256 NOW WITH TWO WATERPACKS AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

However, Grand Theft Auto on the go.....yummy.

Wow just wow, such ignorancy...

Lame innovations? No, just no.

I cant even say anything to that... such stupidity...

Neo · 03-31-2005, 12:53 PM

Nintendo gets too much flack over their multiple sequals. They make sequals because their characters have been around for so long and are popular. Just wait until we have Halo 9 and we'll be singing the same toon about MS "rehashes". There's no way they'll discontinue the Halo series just on the principle of starting something new.

KillerGremlin · 03-31-2005, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Dark Samurai

Wow just wow, such ignorancy...

Lame innovations? No, just no.

I cant even say anything to that... such stupidity...

Call me what you want, but if you think that Nintendo's little third party support will stay behind the DS if a GBA2 comes out, then you are one of the many people that have fallen into Nintendo's vortex of money suckage. As I've said before, outside first party, the dual screens are going to be greatly underused. Furthermore, innovation comes with time, you can't just make innovation. However, seeing as how I own a DS, have played a PSP, and have witnessed Nintendo's tactics over the last 10 years, I am definately one ignorant mother f*cker. (So ignorant in fact, I'll be making my next handheld investment a PSP, which I know for a fact will have strong third party support, oppossed to Nintendo's *two* handhelds with scattered third party support).

Null · 03-31-2005, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Neo

Nintendo gets too much flack over their multiple sequals. They make sequals because their characters have been around for so long and are popular. Just wait until we have Halo 9 and we'll be singing the same toon about MS "rehashes". There's no way they'll discontinue the Halo series just on the principle of starting something new.

we're already singing that tune with just halo2. doesnt need to go up to halo9 for that. and i dont see the series going much past halo 4,

Dark Samurai · 03-31-2005, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by KillerGremlin

Call me what you want, but if you think that Nintendo's little third party support will stay behind the DS if a GBA2 comes out, then you are one of the many people that have fallen into Nintendo's vortex of money suckage. As I've said before, outside first party, the dual screens are going to be greatly underused. Furthermore, innovation comes with time, you can't just make innovation. However, seeing as how I own a DS, have played a PSP, and have witnessed Nintendo's tactics over the last 10 years, I am definately one ignorant mother f*cker. (So ignorant in fact, I'll be making my next handheld investment a PSP, which I know for a fact will have strong third party support, oppossed to Nintendo's *two* handhelds with scattered third party support).

And just what makes you think that the GBA2 is going to come this year? Let alone the next? One guy says something about a new gameboy coming this year, and everyone hates it. That "fact" has been proven false. And Nintendo's tactics? What about Sony? Just about everything on the PSP is expensive, the hardware, software, and some accesories. I didnt need to have SpiderMan 2, and all that other crap, for my PSP, and the games. The games are just ports! Nintendo did ONE PORT on the DS, and you suddenly hate it! You are one ignorant mofo...

And the predictability on Mario... I only see his platforming and kart racing games. Thats all, Mario only had, what? 13 plaformers or something? One on the Gamecube and one on the DS... how is that repetative?

KillerGremlin · 03-31-2005, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Dark Samurai

And just what makes you think that the GBA2 is going to come this year? Let alone the next? One guy says something about a new gameboy coming this year, and everyone hates it. That "fact" has been proven false. And Nintendo's tactics? What about Sony? Just about everything on the PSP is expensive, the hardware, software, and some accesories. I didnt need to have SpiderMan 2, and all that other crap, for my PSP, and the games. The games are just ports! Nintendo did ONE PORT on the DS, and you suddenly hate it! You are one ignorant mofo...

And the predictability on Mario... I only see his platforming and kart racing games. Thats all, Mario only had, what? 13 plaformers or something? One on the Gamecube and one on the DS... how is that repetative?

Look, this whole argument is founded on whether or not Nintendo is releasing a GBA2. If Nintendo goes through with their plans, then I will defend everything I have said in the past two posts. This is all hypothetical, however, don't be surprised to see a GBA2 on the horizon - especially if the PSP is more than a minor threat.

Regarding the PSP, of course it's going to be more expensive. The thing uses a much nicer screen and has a much powerfuller processor. You can blast its price all you want, but the thing is much more capable (minus the touch screen) then the DS is.

It's not just the predictability of Mario. Nintendo has a habit of reusing ideas and themes.

Look, don't get me wrong, I like my DS. I like it a lot. I think the hardware is great, and I really would like to see some cool games on it. I'm looking forward to what Nintendo has coming, but at the same time, I'm worried that if a GBA2 does come out, the DS will have been a bit of a wasted investment.

DarrenMcLeod · 03-31-2005, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by KillerGremlin

Indeed. I'll tell you this: When Nintendo released the GBA2, I'll be in line getting my PSP. I'm tired of this support Nintendo's lame "inovations." If Nintendo goes through with the GBA2, I predict they will lose the majority of their third party support behind the DS. And if that happens, the DS will literally be useless, especially because much of Nintendo's First Party software is repetitive. MARIO 256 NOW WITH TWO WATERPACKS AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

I think someone needs a hug.

Null · 03-31-2005, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Dark Samurai

The games are just ports! Nintendo did ONE PORT on the DS, and you suddenly hate it!

Which games are ports tho? a new game in the same series isnt a port. i mean aside from the sports games, im not really seeing any ports at all.

the only DIRECT port i've seen is mario 64, and im not saying thats a bad thing, each system will get thier own games. neither is a system thats just going to get ports. Infact sony has been pushing developers to make new games instead of porting them over to PSP, which one example of that is it was told to us by capcom that we would get Viewtiful Joe 2 on PSP. now its listed as a totally new game in the Viewtiful Joe series for PSP.

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Originally Posted by DarrenMcLeod

I think someone needs a hug.

i need a hug.

of course some seem to need 2 or 3.

KillerGremlin · 03-31-2005, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DarrenMcLeod

I think someone needs a hug.

Sorry, I don't want fanboy cooties.

Maybe from null or stonecutter, but not you.

MuGen · 03-31-2005, 02:13 PM

That has been my point of debate ever since the rumors started.

Case in point.... no matter how many of you say you will stick with Nintendo til the fat lady sings, you know you will be pissed to see the DS lose all kinds of third party support when a GBA2 comes out. The DS would be a waste of money if GBA2 comes out, and everyone knows it.

Now.... I don't see ports as rehash's considering a lot of the games on the PSP may be ports but whole new games. Take Wipeout Pure.... totally new tracks, totally new burners, and totally new graphics. Untold Legends.... have never seen any previous UL's. THUG REMIX, it has new maps and new goals and a new soundtrack. DarkStalkers.... the only DarkStalkers I know on a Sony device within the U.S.

I wouldn't call Sony repetitive at all. The ports are ports for the portability system but they add a new infastructure to the game. If you look at the big picture...

We've seen a Mario insert number here for every Nintendo console.
We've seen a Mario Kart
We've seen a Mario Party
We've even seen a SSB...

This arguement has gotten tedious....

Dark Samurai · 03-31-2005, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by KillerGremlin

Regarding the PSP, of course it's going to be more expensive. The thing uses a much nicer screen and has a much powerfuller processor. You can blast its price all you want, but the thing is much more capable (minus the touch screen) then the DS is.

The PSP alone costs 180, and in order to get one I had to pay 250, now tell me who is the money grabber? Nintendo or Sony? Make me believe that its Nintendo... go for it. If Sony delivered a solo PSP system, then I wouldve gotten that, not because it was inexpensive, but because I really dont need most of the stuff that was included with the value pack.

Sony also has a predictability on games also, but most people dont notice it, with Nintendo its obvious. Nintendo only does "heros", while Sony does both "heros" and "villians". A good example is GTA. Since GTA3 its all been the same thing, kill people for fun, kill a hooker whydoncha! and the like. Nintendo doesnt do that, and thats just fine with me...

MuGen · 03-31-2005, 02:40 PM

Again, quit with the arguements about price. Dark Samurai, you just made one hell of a point that hurts your arguement. Just stop complaining about price, because it hurts your rebuttle more than his.

Trying to spew something out about who the money grabber is, is bullsh*t. Your forcing a comparison between a DS and the PSP Value Package, and it's not working. Of course you don't need the value pack, but it's there, and that's the end of that discussion. But stop complaining about the price, and calling Sony a money grabber.

If Sony is the money grabber, why would their more capable and more advanced PSP unit, sell @ $180? It's a pretty slim margin with the DS' selling price. The only thing that raises the price is the value pack, and that is called "Marketing."

The PSP is obviously a more capable machine, yet sold in Japan for just a bit more than the DS....... thats not money grabbing, I say thats a deal. Just because NA Marketing Managers sold Value packs here in NA, doesn't mean Sony didn't sell solo's.

Predictability with games? Heroes and Villains? That my friend, is called Versatility, and thats why Sony has so much support. Developers don't want to sit there all day developing hapless hero saves the day adventures. Developers wan't to have fun, and they want to be versatile with their games. So calling that predicability is highly unreasonable.

Now Dark Samurai.... you have no right to be complaining about price and complaining about needing what's in the value pack...ESPECIALLY after you've already purchased it.

It's like buying a bag of chips and complaining that theres too much in it. Complain about the price, and bash Sony for it......... but after you've bit the cookie and shelled out the cash for it????? No....

Null · 03-31-2005, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Dark Samurai

Sony also has a predictability on games also, but most people dont notice it, with Nintendo its obvious. Nintendo only does "heros", while Sony does both "heros" and "villians". A good example is GTA. Since GTA3 its all been the same thing, kill people for fun, kill a hooker whydoncha! and the like. Nintendo doesnt do that, and thats just fine with me...

talking about a first party game for sony like Gran Turismo woulda made your point a bit better. Rockstar makes GTA, and rockstar is not sony. Thats like complaing about all the mega man games they made and blaming Nintendo, it was capcom, not nintendo that did that.

Dark Samurai · 03-31-2005, 06:50 PM

Well I expained myself to Kyuzo, about what I said, though I still hold my beliefs, here is what I meant to say.

I'll be using Kyuzo's quote on this one,

What I was complaining about, was why Sony didnt make a solo version and the PSP, the value pack, wasnt valuable to me. Also what I didnt like was that in order for me to get the PSP I HAD to buy the value pack, THATS what I complaining about.

Heres the quote, about the chips...

Why would I buy chips for 75 cents when I can get the same satisfaction from 50 cent chips? Because theres more chips in the bag? No... I just want a taste of honey BBQ in my mouth, but that doesnt mean that I want an excruciating amount.

This is why I didnt like the value pack. I just wanted the PSP with the necessities, not accesories. That was it...