Giving George W. Bush His Due on Democracy

Blackmane · 04-04-2005, 07:25 PM

Thats a really well written article with lots of information. I didn't know a lot of that info. He really did his homework.

I also agree with him. Bush is scrutinized quite a bit too much. There is opposing views, and then there is plain out anger, and too many Democrats are just angry.

Jonbo298 · 04-04-2005, 07:54 PM

I'm unpatriotic if I dont follow Bush's every words and believe it.

Seth · 04-04-2005, 08:27 PM

How big is your country's deficit?
Do you honestly think that the USA has strengthened its international relationships?

Oh yeah, Bush has been an awesome president.

Bond · 04-04-2005, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Seth

How big is your country's deficit?
Do you honestly think that the USA has strengthened its international relationships?

Oh yeah, Bush has been an awesome president.

I can tell you didn't even attempt to read the article.

Seth · 04-04-2005, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Bond

I can tell you didn't even attempt to read the article.

Yeah I read it. I just don't need to write up a longwinded and eloquent essay to convey my feelings on teh subject.

Praising the Republican's foreign policies with the middle east.

It still fails to explain why the rest of the world is pissed off at America. Just because the lebanese people got fed up with Syria doesn't mean the war in iraq was a success. A horrendous deficit and the deaths of all people involved, imo, far outweigh any of the positives that have transpired as a result.

Fox 6 · 04-04-2005, 11:51 PM

I don't see the conflict in Iraq ending anytime soon. No matter what they do it seems that someone will always be opposing them, ready to fight.

Professor S · 04-05-2005, 12:02 AM

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I don't see the conflict in Iraq ending anytime soon. No matter what they do it seems that someone will always be opposing them, ready to fight.

Anytime soon? No, there will be fighting for a while. Poeple don't just change their culture and way of life at the drop of a hat. It takes a long time. It is starting to happen, though, and it can only mean good things.

Professor S · 04-04-2005, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonbo298

I'm unpatriotic if I dont follow Bush's every words and believe it.

What that has to do with this topic (besides obviously ignoring what was written and post a standard liberal cliche) I have no idea.

With the media scrutiny of today, no President could survive an extented military conflict unscathed. Think about how crazily things were spun out of control with Vietnam... now add about 50 24/7 cable news networks to the mix.

It doesn't matter how much good happens in the Middle East due to this conflict. It doesn't matter how many hospitals are built in Iraq or how mnay lives have been saved because Saddam is in jail and not just killing whomever he pleases (and yes, even with the terrorism over there, less people are being killed by far). The media thrives on bad news. Hell, the only reason why the Afghan and Iraqi elections were covered was because the media was waiting for it to fall apart. As for Lebanon, they were begging for it to end bloody.

Just look at the Pope. For all the things that he did during his lifetime, he was a mere blurb in the paper or broadcast news for most of them, except for the pediphilic priest scandal of course. Now that he's dead, its all Pope all the time. The networks can't get enough Pope. Dead Pope sells. Live Pope doesn't.

If that doesn't tell you about what our media thrives on, I don't know what does. Then again, if it sells, why are we blaming the media? We should blame ourselves.

Jason1 · 04-04-2005, 08:49 PM

I happened to be up near Chicago today and saw a gas station selling regular Unleaded gas for. $2.49 a gallon. TWO FORTY NINE A GALLON.

I thought we won the war in Iraq? Why is this happening?

I guarantee you if this Country had elected a President that isnt Republican, someone the rest of the world dosent hate, and someone who isnt in bed with the Oil Companies, that it never wouldve got this bad.

I'll be quite honest, I didnt read a word of that article, and I dont plan to. Sorry if this is off topic, but I had to get that off my back.

Bond · 04-04-2005, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason1

I happened to be up near Chicago today and saw a gas station selling regular Unleaded gas for. $2.49 a gallon. TWO FORTY NINE A GALLON.

I thought we won the war in Iraq? Why is this happening?

Maybe the war in Iraq was (oh my gosh) not really for oil.

Blackmane · 04-05-2005, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason1

I happened to be up near Chicago today and saw a gas station selling regular Unleaded gas for. $2.49 a gallon. TWO FORTY NINE A GALLON.

I thought we won the war in Iraq? Why is this happening?

I guarantee you if this Country had elected a President that isnt Republican, someone the rest of the world dosent hate, and someone who isnt in bed with the Oil Companies, that it never wouldve got this bad.

Gas is that high because of a lot of different reasons. Some have to do with instability in the Middle Eastern area which has some to do with the Iraq war, but it is also problems in more stable regions like Saudi Arabia. It also has to do with the fact that the oil supply curve can't keep going up exponentially, but that is too big a topic to get into now.

I don't understand. I thought most people didn't want us to be going into Iraq for oil because that is wrong. "Imperialism at its worst". Now, when gas is getting expensive, you ask why it isn't cheaper since we won the war? Ai yiy yiy...

You cannot guarantee anything about who would have been a better president. You think Kerry would have been more in tune with your needs? Just because he didn't have the oil companies backing him doesn't mean he wasn't in bed with his own special interests. Kerry had as much crap on his plate as Bush. At least Bush stands for something and, although he has his issues, I think he stands for something, and he's not afraid to stand up for those issues.

MuGen · 04-05-2005, 01:21 PM

This just proves that the cycle of life is actually evident. The fact that we're yet again arguing about Iraq War and Bush's foreign policies, proves it. Cycle has always been defined as a never-changing, repetition of events.

An article was posted about Bush and the accomplishments he's done amidst all of the scrutiny and left wing malice. Yet, we find a way to spark another argument about Goerge W. Bush. I'll have to agree with a lot of people in this thread.

Many people attack Bush's policies and his decision to go to war, and whether his intentions were genuine or for oil. But the simple factors of GAS prices will inevitably fabricate another momentous debate on WHY they are rising. As one of my colleagues said,
"I guess we didn't go to war for the oil...."

And Strangler, you have just earned my respect for looking beyond what is in front of your face. A great example is Patch Adams when a man saw 7 fingers, but they thought he was crazy.... Has he not said, "Look beyond the answer." I would not have understood him. Strangler, your play with numbers intrigues me and has greatly swayed my outlook on whether the war was for good or for worse. Of course WAR in general is summed up as a bad thing considering casualties and unnecessary bloodshed. But the way you put it, that there were a lot more casualties before the War w/ Iraq.... it totally makes sense.

A lot of our disputes are fueled by what the media feeds us. And we all have argued about what the media thrives on. We can't go face to face with our leaders and other leaders and get the scoop from them. We watch the news, and get our spin on things. Our debates are driven by what we know from news and media. So, in the end we all either are far left or far right, considering if we were all left or all right, the balance beam would topple over, and we certainly cannot have a world without balance.

Without war, there would be no peace. Without hate, there would be no love. So how would be define these things if there were none? Consider a world without war and total happiness. Would there still be a word PEACE? If there were a world without hate, would the word LOVE or LIKE still exist?

Disputes and debates are driven by the media today, and what we believe. There is no exact or accurate way of changing ones thinking....Sometimes I miss being a baby where ignorance was bliss.

Hard to say about life these days.

KillerGremlin · 04-05-2005, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason1

I happened to be up near Chicago today and saw a gas station selling regular Unleaded gas for. $2.49 a gallon. TWO FORTY NINE A GALLON.

I thought we won the war in Iraq? Why is this happening?

I guarantee you if this Country had elected a President that isnt Republican, someone the rest of the world dosent hate, and someone who isnt in bed with the Oil Companies, that it never wouldve got this bad.

I'll be quite honest, I didnt read a word of that article, and I dont plan to. Sorry if this is off topic, but I had to get that off my back.

If you do your homework, which I know you won't, you will see that the dollar per gallon value on gas right now is cheaper then it has been in our history. Grant it, it's more expensive now then 2 years ago, there are numerous things that need to be taken into consideration. If gas prices were such a problem, then people wouldn't be driving.