Nintendo/Revolution Press Conference

[Null]

Originally Posted by BreakABone

Its just weird, I mean Nintendo seems to bank most of the controllers on gimmicks or devices that have never been tried before in the console sector.. of course that has never worked out for them...

I mean the D-Pad on the NES controller went the way of the dodo

The shoulder buttons on the SNES controller, never to be seen again.

The trigger button, the analog stick and the rumble feedback on the N64.... no one knows what happened with that.

A wireless controller that actually worked and became the standard for the console... yeah good thing all controllers this gen are wired.

http://www.axess.com/twilight/console/index.html

I mean just look at this chart to see how many controllers were influenced by Nintendo's "gimmicks" You may not see them as gimmicks now because they are standard, but they had to start somewhere.

nintendo didnt start wireless, not by a long shot, they were just the first one of the 3 who make consoles to use it 'officially'.

and its arguable whether they came up with some of the others first. But thats beside the point. theres a huge difference between things that were made/invented because they were needed, and ones that were gimmicky and unneeded.

nintendo has invented many things, but remember they also made a few other things... (virtual boy, power glove...)

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[BreakABone]

Originally Posted by Null

nintendo didnt start wireless, not by a long shot, they were just the first one of the 3 who make consoles to use it 'officially'.

and its arguable whether they came up with some of the others first. But thats beside the point. theres a huge difference between things that were made/invented because they were needed, and ones that were gimmicky and unneeded.

nintendo has invented many things, but remember they also made a few other things...

I never claimed they started wireless, they were the first ones to make an official one that actually worked and in many ways replace the original controller.

And you say needed, but who say they were. I mean the D-Pad wasn't need there wasd a way to control characters before hand. The shoulder buttons weren't needed, just add more face buttons, the Genesis one had 5 face buttons. Rumble feedback.. same deal...

The fact is you think they are important now because they have been proven to be important. I say give the new controller a chance to show it is needed and not just some gimmick.

[Null]

Originally Posted by BreakABone

I never claimed they started wireless, they were the first ones to make an official one that actually worked and in many ways replace the original controller.

And you say needed, but who say they were. I mean the D-Pad wasn't need there wasd a way to control characters before hand. The shoulder buttons weren't needed, just add more face buttons, the Genesis one had 5 face buttons. Rumble feedback.. same deal...

The fact is you think they are important now because they have been proven to be important. I say give the new controller a chance to show it is needed and not just some gimmick.

there was others that worked just as well and replaced the original. they just wernt made by the same company, thats the only difference.

i say they were, nintendo themselves said they were. if you can find back where they intereviewed nintendo about the analog stick, they explained how they came to that result, they had made the 3d mario game and said they needed a better way to control him rather then the D pad.

and im sure for shoulder buttons it was needed to find a way to get extra buttons that wouldnt be too complicated, there ya go. these types of innovations came on thier own. they were made when they were needed.

this new controller comes from nitnendos ODD thinking that controllers are getting too complicated, and too many buttons. i dont find anyone complaining that controllers are too complicated, many would like a couple more buttons infact.


this controller would be a blast to try out on certain games, but im sorry, i know for a fact i'd grow tired of it. somtimes i'd want to just lie back on the couch and play, not wave my arm all around. maybe depending on where i am i dont have room to swing it like a bat to hit the baseball.

this remote would be a great idea..... as an accessory, i think nintendos at a stronge dissavantage now by basing thier entire system on it.

[Xantar]

Originally Posted by Null

this new controller comes from nitnendos ODD thinking that controllers are getting too complicated, and too many buttons.

Or maybe Nintendo wants to have true three dimensional control for the next Mario game. They wouldn't exactly tell us that right now, though.

In any case, I would rather have Nintendo trying new things and have some of them ending up as mere gimmicks than try nothing new at all.

i dont find anyone complaining that controllers are too complicated, many would like a couple more buttons infact.

Because as everyone knows, the people that Null talks are representative of the entire world.

Seriously. Hand your controller over to someone who hasn't played very many videogames in their life and watch how quickly they lose interest. I remember a few girls at Swarthmore who were actual basketball players. They quickly lost interest in basketball videogames because there was too much, "Wait. Which button is pass?"

somtimes i'd want to just lie back on the couch and play, not wave my arm all around. maybe depending on where i am i dont have room to swing it like a bat to hit the baseball.

I find it interesting that you know for a fact that you will grow tired of the controller. Meantime, everybody who has actually tried it has had nothing but good things to say about it. One even went so far as to explain that you only need little wrist movements to control the FPS Metroid demo, and the controller is really light to begin with. He didn't find it to be a chore at all. I'm sure somebody must have posted a link to it somewhere (right? Hasn't somebody done that yet?).

I'm not saying I love it and know that I will have a blast playing with it for hours on end. But frankly, I trust first-hand accounts a whole lot more than I trust your unfounded opinion. You should too.

[DarrenMcLeod]

Fans are already designing addons they expect to see... pretty nifty:

[Crash]

damn, you can do a lot with this thing.

[Teuthida]

I find it odd that the attachment wouldn't make use of any of the buttons on the free-hand controller...what with the repeating buttons and all...two D-pads, two A's. I just hope the button layout won't use that cube's one like IGN's mockup.

[Null]

Originally Posted by Xantar

blah blah blah

sorry, didnt mean to insult your mother with what i said.




when did i say the entire world? i said everyone i know. read more, assume less.

the controllers get handed over to ppl who dont play games at all ALL the time. kids are growing up on playstation and xbox n64/gamecube controllers. they never played before, i dont see them losing interest.


and yes i can know for a fact i'd grow tired of it, as i said, and all the reports are saying, its great fun, and i said it would be great fun to try. will i grow tired of it after a while tho? yes, i dont want to have to use a motion sensor all the time. for some games once and a while it would be fun.

you find it funny how i can express my opinion without trying it? i find it funny how you can throw full backing into it, and feel they can do no wrong without trying it.

[Teuthida]

I will not be satisfied until I can play games purely with my brainwaves. The freehand is a good deal closer to real immersion; a mere stepping stone towards what games will become. I say to Nintendo: thank you.

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Teuthida

I will not be satisfied until I can play games purely with my brainwaves. The freehand is a good deal closer to real immersion; a mere stepping stone towards what games will become. I say to Nintendo: thank you.

Imagine playing a game that is controlled by blinking.

[Jonbo298]

The classic controller is important for us for our virtual console games. When I'm playing my favourite game - the N64 version of Goldeneye - it's built for that kind of controller.

Could you imagine playing Goldeneye with an N64'esque controller "shell" and having butter smooth framerates and not the lag we all experienced back in the day? That alone is enough for me to download the games

[Xantar]

Originally Posted by Null

you find it funny how i can express my opinion without trying it? i find it funny how you can throw full backing into it, and feel they can do no wrong without trying it.

I'd reply to this if I had some idea of what in the world you just said. I think you're stretching here. You may as well call it a rest.

[Null]

Originally Posted by Xantar

I'd reply to this if I had some idea of what in the world you just said. I think you're stretching here. You may as well call it a rest.

haha, you know exactly what im talkin about, because im not the only one whos pointed it out.


but ok. we'll just stop then.

[Canyarion]

I can honestly understand Nintendo here.

They think of motion sensing control, want to put it in a controller, realise that at times a controller isn't really very handy, so they seperate the 'pointer' and the controller for practical reasons. The controller will also become standard (in my opinion, and I think Nintendo will realise this as well before the release).

I can see this become a well appreciated console, especialy as a second one next to your PS3 or XB360.

I wonder if we will also get a headset. Perhaps even goggles. Imagine, it would make things complete.

And I just had to post here about this. BTW for those who are interested, I'm doing better now, but I still want her back (never thought I'd be one of those pathetic guys ).