I hate your President.

[Typhoid]

So no 12 year old raped girls can get an abortion if the rape leads to pregnancy?
Brava.
What a child of love that will be.

The banning/tightening up of abortions thing is subjective.
Bush is Anti-Abortion because he is pro-god.
Therefore, the rest of American must all be pro-god and anti-abortion.

12. Expanded the role of faith-based and community organizations in after-school programs.

Why faith-based? Why should it make a freakin' difference?

16. Created a fund to encourage technologies that help the disabled.

How much is in that fund? I can create a fund right now to make a ladder to the moon, if I so wish.

1. Changed the tone in the White House, restoring HONOR and DIGNITY to the presidency.

Subjective.

4. Is seeking legislation to amend the Constitution to give the president line-item veto authority.

First of all, the is states it hasnt been completed. Secondly, how is being able to take away the democratic right from the public and issue a veto a good thing?

2. Has reintroduced the mention of God and faith into public discourse.

The keyword is PUBLIC. If people dont believe in God, why force them to listen to it. People have differences of opinions. Suck it up. Dont swim in my pool and I wont piss on your door. Is he going to have a war on athiesm next?

1. Killed the Kyoto Global Warming Treaty.

Goody goody.

1. Successfully executed two wars in the aftermath of 9/11/01: Afghanistan and Iraq. 50 million people who had lived under tyrannical regimes now live in freedom.

Ha...hahaha. It should say they live in 'less tyranny'.

13. Prohibited putting U.S. troops under U.N. command.

Yes, thats what is good. Defiance towards the UN. Nothing says "team player" more than "Dont **** with my toys, friends".

3. Told the United Nations we weren't interested in their plans for gun control (i.e., the International Ban on Small Arms Trafficking Treaty).

Praise Lord Jesus President, he's allowing people to continue holding up liquor stores and kids to get their paws on guns.

3. Is nominating strong, conservative judges to the judiciary.

Yes, lets throw aside the fact some Liberal judges may be good. **** it, they arent conservative.


Crash, the more I read that, the more I really hoped your " it means he has done a heck of a lot of good things, doesn't it?" statement was complete sarcasm.

[Crash]

actually... I didnt' read MOST of them. I stole from another site.

But yeah, if you're a conservative, he's done a LOT of good things for conservatives. But..... it's all up to your interpretation.


In either case, I'm going to concentrate on my own life, not how the president can help me out. I'm not looking for the government to solve all the problems in the world.

Hopefully the next one, will make this world even better than it is now.

[DarkMaster]

I hate him too. He suxx0rs, lol

[KillerGremlin]

i've always been pro-choice but if it were up to me i'd go with adoption, unless my parents really really couldn't find out i was pregnant.

[Professor S]

I don't love President Bush either, I just like some of what he does and stands for. But in any case, love him or hate him, to say that he has done NOTHING good in his presidency is just partisan babble. Here are some areas that ANYONE can objectively admit he has successfully accomplished for the good of everyone:

1) Home Ownership: His policy and benefits to first time homeowners have created the single largest percentage amount of home owners in American history. It was his policy and it succeeded beyond even his expectations. This is extremely important because many financial experts believe the biggest hurdle towards personal financial success is real estate ownership.

2) Down with Kyoto Treaty: I know immediately you might see this as a big negative, but thats on first blush. The fact is this had almost nothing to do with the environment and everything to do with One World Politics, as was admitted by UN officials. China was never going to sign that treaty and for America to do so would have held the US under a severe disadvantage for the long term and would have damaged our economy considerably. There are better ways to be eco-friendly without hamstringing ourselves.

3) Security: The fact is there haven't been any attacks since 9/11 and President Bush's policies in this area have helped lead to the thwarting of at least 2 documented attack plans by our enemies. There may have been even more. If you don't believe that number, fine, check for yourselves.

4) The Economy: Regardless of his questionable spending policies the economy is booming, and yes it is booming, and unemployment is lower than it was under Clinton and tax revenues are increasing along with the economy. Yes, our debt is increasing, but spending is a separate issue and one that I dislike him for.

I know many of you might think I'm crazy for listing these as objective benefits of his presidency, and you are free to feel that way. I'm also free to think you're wrong.

[Dylflon]

Why I respect Professor S's arguements: though very set in his opinions, he offers good arguements and does the research to back it up.

Why I don't respect Bond's arguments: He makes it personal, trying to defame people and their points of views.



You do have some good points there, Strangy. Actually I only really agree with your first point and somewhat your fourth. I do support the Kyoto treaty and don't think Bush is the sole reason you haven't been attacked.

But all that aside, I by and large don't favor Bush in any form of positive light. I don't like an administration that rules through fear and lies through their teeth to accomplish goals.

[Bond]

Originally Posted by Dylflon

Why I don't respect Bond's arguments: He makes it personal, trying to defame people and their points of views.

So, just because I make it "personal" means I don't perform research and know what I'm talking about? That's cruel.

I'll make my argument non-personal when I get a chance.

[Typhoid]

3) Security: The fact is there haven't been any attacks since 9/11 and President Bush's policies in this area have helped lead to the thwarting of at least 2 documented attack plans by our enemies. There may have been even more. If you don't believe that number, fine, check for yourselves.

There also weren't large-scale terror attacks prior to 9/11.


Your point for number 3 reminds of of that "This rock keeps tigers away" 'theory', despite the fact the rock may be situated in Ohio.

4) The Economy: Regardless of his questionable spending policies the economy is booming, and yes it is booming, and unemployment is lower than it was under Clinton and tax revenues are increasing along with the economy. Yes, our debt is increasing, but spending is a separate issue and one that I dislike him for.

Thats odd, I just searched the internet, and found an article, released today saying the American Economy is cooling.

Also:

According to the Council on International and Public
Affairs (CIPA), the real U.S. rate of unemployment, if
properly calculated, would be 11.4 per cent - more than
double the official rate. The CIPA listed seven major
changes in the definitions of "employed" and "unemployed"
that were made in the U.S. methodology that have had the
combined effect of substantially reducing the number of
Americans officially listed as being jobless.

Among the categories dropped from the labour force
survey, in addition to the discouraged, were the under-16
group, those on strike or locked out and those who weren't
actively looking for work in the four weeks prior to the
survey. But by far the largest group omitted from the list
of jobless in the U.S. are the working-age men who are out
of work because they are in prison or on parole.

The 1.5 million American men in jail and the 8.1 million
on parole make up nearly 10 per cent of that country's male
workforce. By not including them in its labour force survey,
the U.S. is able to reduce its official unemployment rate by
more than five per cent.

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by Typhoid

There also weren't large-scale terror attacks prior to 9/11

Well, actually the World Trade Center was bombed back in the early 90's, it just failed to bring the building down. Of course we just ignored it prior to Bush being in the white house. Bush is the first president to take terrorism seriously, and with good reason.

Your point for number 3 reminds of of that "This rock keeps tigers away" 'theory', despite the fact the rock may be situated in Ohio.

I never said Bush was sitting on the border himself keeping attacks at bay, I said his POLICIES have kept us safe. Policies, including open intelligence with key allies such as Great Britain. You know, kind of like the coordinated stoppage of the latest attack that was planned for last week.

Its alwaus oing to be difficult to prove that any governments policies stop terror attacks for the reason that its hard to prove something on the LACK of something. Me? We've been attack free since 9/11 , with the two PROVEN protective stoppages I mentioned before that you ignored, and thats proof enough for me.

Thats odd, I just searched the internet, and found an article, released today saying the American Economy is cooling.

1) Cooling is one thing, and is relative to how well it was going before, saying its bad is another.

2) Please provide a source for that unemployment number, as it is pretty provacative and goes against every number I've seen. Also, I would need to see the data of the TIME that these criteria were changed, if its accurate to begn with, to see if Bush has been working with skewed numbers or if every multiple presidencies have.

Honestly? This number seems outrageous to me and I would have to see it to believe it. It would equal the unemployment rate of France and you would think we would share the same social strife that they are experiencing right now if that was the case.

[Jason1]

Originally Posted by Professor S

4) The Economy: Regardless of his questionable spending policies the economy is booming, and yes it is booming, and unemployment is lower than it was under Clinton and tax revenues are increasing along with the economy. Yes, our debt is increasing, but spending is a separate issue and one that I dislike him for.

The Economy is Hardly "Booming" It might not be in complete shambles like it was after 9/11, but Its nowhere near "booming"

Anyways, Bush may have done a few good things for this country. But the simple fact is that the War has been a complete and utter failure, ending thousands of American lives for no reason, and spending billions of dollars for no reason. There will never really be democracy over there. We should just cut our losses and pull out.