PS3 Survey

manasecret · 11-17-2006, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DeathsHand

This reminds me of the theater cleanliness debate... There's no wiggle room, it all just has to do with people's personal moral... morals... Moralically speaking...

Some people say they're not comfortable waiting in line just to get a PS3 to sell to some dumbass on eBay...
Others would call those who wouldn't take advantage of such a profitable opportunity the true dumbasses...

But eh... When it comes to this debate, Stu is doing a better job than I ever could so I'll just shut up...
"There's a reason scalping sports tickets is illegal..."
"unnecessary middle man"
Good show...
I just want my Burning Blade CE :<

I was going to say before, but didn't because it's kinda beside my point. Ticket scalping isn't illegal everywhere (in the U.S. scalping laws vary state by state), and in fact many businesses are ticket brokers, which are essentially scalpers.

And I think you're right, I'm not going to change my opinion and I doubt I'll change anyone else's. But I am curious of others' opinions and whether I can refute them, for myself anyway.

BTW, DeathsHand, I was on "your" side of the theater cleanliness, and I thought the other side (led mainly by you there, Professor S) was completely way off base and being complete dicks about leaving their trash around. Now that you say this argument is similar to that one, and now that I'm on the opposite side of the argument, I guess that makes me a complete dick. :wheresthescratchestchinsmilie:

Professor S · 11-17-2006, 11:23 PM

Our tech department at work spent most of today bidding on PS3's under false identities. They told me they had pushed a bunch of auctions over $10,000 just to jerk around with people that wait in line only to sell them.

Crash · 11-17-2006, 11:50 PM

heh, now that's wrong. Professor S.

That's being an @$$hole for the sake of being an @$$hole.

Professor S · 11-18-2006, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Crash

heh, now that's wrong. Professor S.

That's being an @$$hole for the sake of being an @$$hole.

I don't think so. I think its giving those people their just desserts. If you wait in line for days on end for a system, it should be out of joy, love and enthusiasm for the product... not the profit you you'll make from it.

Just think if you were some guy who waited in line for days dreaming of a new PS3, only to have the store run out right before your turn, and then you find out that most of the people before you that got one just wanted to sell it on e-bay.

I hope all those auctions are jacked up under false pretenses.

Jason1 · 11-18-2006, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Professor S

I don't think so. I think its giving those people their just desserts. If you wait in line for days on end for a system, it should be out of joy, love and enthusiasm for the product... not the profit you you'll make from it.

Just think if you were some guy who waited in line for days dreaming of a new PS3, only to have the store run out right before your turn, and then you find out that most of the people before you that got one just wanted to sell it on e-bay.

I hope all those auctions are jacked up under false pretenses.

Time for me to butt in. I disagree. Those people that waited in line, but were still denied their PS3's, have nobody to blame but SONY. Its SONYs fault for not having enough available at launch. Its their fault for releasing a system before they could meet demand.

Null · 11-18-2006, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Professor S

I don't think so. I think its giving those people their just desserts. If you wait in line for days on end for a system, it should be out of joy, love and enthusiasm for the product... not the profit you you'll make from it.

Just think if you were some guy who waited in line for days dreaming of a new PS3, only to have the store run out right before your turn, and then you find out that most of the people before you that got one just wanted to sell it on e-bay.

I hope all those auctions are jacked up under false pretenses.

say you were the guy that stood in those lines, and waited and waited, out of sheer love and enthusiasm for the product, and couldn't wait to play it because you've been dreaming of it since it was announced....

say you finally got it after that long wait, you paid your $600 and you got it.

then say someone offered you $3000 for it. are you SERIOUSLY telling me you would say no way and take it home instead of the money?

i mean its basically a few thousand dollars give or take, just to wait a few months to buy one at its regular price.

im sure MANY those people on ebay really really WANT the ps3, but when you can get the money the morons are willing to pay on there, they'd be idiots not to.

and jason is right, its sony that is the one they should blame. but certainly not because they couldn't make more, because they could and most likely did. its because they release a limited number for JUST this reason..... to create this kinda hype and demand for the system. its sony that is doing this, not the people on ebay.

(but i have nothing against messing with the people on ebay either, im just saying that many of them probably planned to keep it originally )

Professor S · 11-20-2006, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Null

then say someone offered you $3000 for it. are you SERIOUSLY telling me you would say no way and take it home instead of the money?

Hell no. I'd take the money. But the difference here is in intent. If someone came up and offered such crazy money for it, I would accept it, but my intent was still to be in the moment and be a part of the culture of the product. This is far different from someone who just waits in line to sell it.

Case in point: I camped out for Eagles playoff tickets a few years ago (for the infamous Falcons games where 10,000 people campoed out). Everyone there was camping out because of love of the team and wanting to see them in the playoffs the year they were SUPPOSED to win it all. Needless to say, I never got a ticket because I was one of 10,000 waiting for a ticket when only 2,000 were available. I didnt care that much because I got to share in the experience with a bunch of like-minded and equally passionate fans.

That said, if any of us there knew that one of those that got tickets only did so to sell them at a profit, they would have found him in a ditch somewhere. That is a betrayal and a bastardization of everything an Eagles fan is.

The true FANS who wait should be rewarded... not the vultures.

manasecret · 11-20-2006, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Professor S

The true FANS who wait should be rewarded... not the vultures.

And if there were any true Sony fans, I'm sure they'd care.

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Originally Posted by DeathsHand

Since when is gaming all about rushing retail outlets to land some easy cash? It used to be about young men in tights striking down big lizards with the aid of their faerie allies, and watching as they explode into a plume of rainbow dust...
What happened to those days, mana? What happened to those days?

They're still here -- it happened Saturday night on 'til early Sunday morning. You just have to want a Wii.

It's amazing what can happen when a company provides enough units for everyone who wants it.

DeathsHand · 11-18-2006, 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by manasecret

I guess that makes me a complete dick. :wheresthescratchestchinsmilie:

Hey now, everyone has a dickish tendency or two.
One of mine would be labeling so many people as dicks.

But eh, whatever... I saw a hilarious clip on the news of hundreds of people stampeding towards a store as it opened... Hundreds of people for something like 20 PS3s...

It's the kind of thing that would make my dad and his type think even lower of the gamer types and their dag blasted gaming devices, acting like such animals to get their hands on the newest, shiniest one.
When in reality, it's probably safe to say that a majority of the people charging at the store are doing so because it's basically like offering $1,000+ to the first 20 people who make it inside (alive)...
That's $1,000+ they can spend on Mexicans to handle their landscaping, South American's to take care of their children, or simply put towards obtaining eternal happiness...

Since when is gaming all about rushing retail outlets to land some easy cash? It used to be about young men in tights striking down big lizards with the aid of their faerie allies, and watching as they explode into a plume of rainbow dust...
What happened to those days, mana? What happened to those days?

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Originally Posted by DarkMaster

Burning Crusade

D'oh!