Why McCain will Win

[Bond]

Originally Posted by Jonbo298

Getting sick of all the political bullshit going on. McCain is as crooked as Bush. Obama is becoming as crooked as Hillary. The American public is too damn stupid to realize this. Yeah, I'm preferential to Obama, but I'm getting sick of him also. First he says he'll talk to Iran. Then he goes the Bush route "No talks".

I hope America elects someone who fucks us over more. Maybe then we'll realize the mistakes we've been making for so long. I mean jesus, we re-elected Bush in '04, that says enough.

I think McCain is actually one of the less crooked politicians. His history of employment consists of: serving in the military and being a senator. He is not independently wealthy. In fact, he is very likely the poorest Presidential candidate in recent history.

Now, the Republicans certainly have no business winning this election. But if they are to have a chance, John McCain is the man. He is basically a moderate Republican who is willing to compromise (see bills with Kennedy and Feingold). If Obama or Clinton were elected they would certainly not govern as moderates, they would govern to the far left as a reactionary policy toward the Bush administration.

On that same note, if Obama and Clinton were to run on the same ticket, I believe they would undoubtedly win. But I am sure their egos will get in the way and that will not happen. McCain has several superb VP choices: Jindal, Romney, and Crist. All three are young, intelligent, and engaging. My money is on Romney, but I would personally prefer Jindal. Crist is a fantastic governor of Florida as well, but I'm afraid he's too moderate for McCain to pick him.

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by Bond

On that same note, if Obama and Clinton were to run on the same ticket, I believe they would undoubtedly win.

That I agree with 100%. What will give McCain the win is the turnover from Hillary supporters who believe, and I think rightfully so, that Obama is probably one of the worst if not THE worst candiate ever to run for the presidency based on experience and substance. Not to mention his constant sprinklings of Marxist philosophy throughout his campaign...

And I dunno what polls you're looking at, but these here random charts I found told me that Obama is not only ahead of McCain in the polls, but is further ahead than Hilary in a Clinton vs. McCain scenario...

I linked to the poll I was referencing. Its the Rasmussen poll. Also make sure to pay attention to the demographics polled when taking polls seriously. For their general poll, they use citizens who are likely to vote and place them head to head. Polls are polls

You just keep telling yourself that professor, if it makes you feel better about that fact that you know Mcain wont win in November.

Thanks for the insight.

[Jonbo298]

Originally Posted by Bond

I think McCain is actually one of the less crooked politicians. His history of employment consists of: serving in the military and being a senator. He is not independently wealthy. In fact, he is very likely the poorest Presidential candidate in recent history.

Now, the Republicans certainly have no business winning this election. But if they are to have a chance, John McCain is the man. He is basically a moderate Republican who is willing to compromise (see bills with Kennedy and Feingold). If Obama or Clinton were elected they would certainly not govern as moderates, they would govern to the far left as a reactionary policy toward the Bush administration.

On that same note, if Obama and Clinton were to run on the same ticket, I believe they would undoubtedly win. But I am sure their egos will get in the way and that will not happen. McCain has several superb VP choices: Jindal, Romney, and Crist. All three are young, intelligent, and engaging. My money is on Romney, but I would personally prefer Jindal. Crist is a fantastic governor of Florida as well, but I'm afraid he's too moderate for McCain to pick him.

Still doesn't change my mind on all 3 of them. McCain can look less crooked, until you give him power. One of the rare senators I've seen who didn't seem so crooked was Ernie Chambers (just retired recently because he had been in for quite a long time). He was a little on the nutty side (tried dividing Omaha into 3 districts that was clearly segregated if you lived here, you would know. Also the fact he tried suing God last year), but he wasn't afraid to say what was needed. He understood what people probably needed.

[Jason1]

Okay, anyone who votes Republican in this election, is a 100% certified jackass. The Republicans have put the country in shambles, yet you people want to elect another one. Bunch of racists.

[Dyne]

Originally Posted by Jason1

Okay, anyone who votes Republican in this election, is a 100% certified jackass. The Republicans have put the country in shambles, yet you people want to elect another one. Bunch of racists.

Jason1, please don't make unwarranted attacks on people. Thank you.

-Phil

[Jason1]

Originally Posted by Dyne

Jason1, please don't make unwarranted attacks on people. Thank you.

-Phil

I would hardly call them unwarranted, but fine. I didnt target anyone specifically.

[Dylflon]

Okay, just finished reading the thread.

It may be unfair to disregard Obama's opinion just because he never joined the military. Gearing up and going to war should really not be the prerequisite for having opinions on anything military.

Passionate people go to war.

Logical people are more prone to not fight for someone else's cause; no offense to anyone serving in or near the military.




Anyhow, I think some good old Tender Leftist Care will be pretty necessary to let the healing process to begin. It's all well and good to bally-hoo and rabblerouse when someone says Leftism, Socialist, or Marx, but you have to admire the left-wing's tendency towards focusing more on social programs than on shooting people.

America needs to make serious amendments to education, health care, and many other social issues. I know Democrats aren't innocent, but I find many Republicans to jump so willingly in bed with corporations than into bed with the interests of the public.

It's mind blowing that a president could spend 8 years, ruining social programs, and steering their country into the biggest deficit in American history from the biggest surplus in American history. All for a war that has had to change its justification once every few months just to keep people somewhat on board.
But there's too much to argue about the war so let's not get too far into that.

America needs a president that can restore the name of America in the eyes of the rest of the world, and I don't think John McCain is the man to do it, nor do I feel he is the man to repair the damage that has been done over the last eight years.

[Bond]

Originally Posted by Dylflon

It may be unfair to disregard Obama's opinion just because he never joined the military. Gearing up and going to war should really not be the prerequisite for having opinions on anything military.

I'm going to have to respectfully disagree. I do agree that one should not disregard Obama's opinion on military matters simply because he has not served in the military, but it is certainly legitimate to not hold his opinion in as high esteem as that of someone like Colin Powell. Military expertise is especially important for running for President in the United States, as the President serves several distinct and important roles. In many other countries the Executive branch is divided between the Head of State and Head of Government (often the Commander in Chief is even a separate position). In the US, the President serves all three roles at the same time. Executive, lawmaking, and military experience are all important.

Passionate people go to war.

Logical people are more prone to not fight for someone else's cause; no offense to anyone serving in or near the military.

This strikes me as an extremely dangerous generalization to make. I'd prefer not to go into depth with your assertion, as I find it inappropriate to do so, but I would encourage you to give more thought to such a broad, sweeping statement.

Anyhow, I think some good old Tender Leftist Care will be pretty necessary to let the healing process to begin. It's all well and good to bally-hoo and rabblerouse when someone says Leftism, Socialist, or Marx, but you have to admire the left-wing's tendency towards focusing more on social programs than on shooting people.

This kind of polarization (i.e. caring for people vs. shooting people) is exactly what is wrong with American politics today. Everyone (or at least most everyone) has very legitimate political opinions that need to be respected and understood, not polarized.


I pulled out an article from my newspaper clippings for this specific discussion, but unfortunately it was too large to scan. I have kindly linked to the article and it can be found here.



Indeed, two of my most beloved presidents in US history (John F. Kennedy and Harry S. Truman), were both Democrats. I believe it is time that we begin to judge candidates on their own personal merit, and not their party.

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by Jason1

Okay, anyone who votes Republican in this election, is a 100% certified jackass. The Republicans have put the country in shambles, yet you people want to elect another one. Bunch of racists.

That might be the most unintentionally funny post in the history of this forum. Don't worry, I take no offence. To be offended I would have to take any of your political comments seriously.

But seriously, is that how you really feel? Have you been so jaded as to view anyone with differeing political views as "jackasses" and "racists"? If so, I feel more sympathy for you than any type of animosity. You might want to see a professional...