Russia Invades Georgia

[KillerGremlin]

BBQ and fried food! sign me up!

[Professor S]

While I like most of the people here, this thread is sich an indictment of the youth of today. Russia is essentially trying to annex Geogia or parts of it, they're about to leave NATO, they are threatening nuclear attacks on Poland for putting in a DEFENSE shield with the US...

And everyone in this thread is talking about nonsense...

I'm literally saddened by this thread. It depresses me.

[DeathsHand]

Originally Posted by Professor S

While I like most of the people here, this thread is sich an indictment of the youth of today. Russia is essentially trying to annex Geogia or parts of it, they're about to leave NATO, they are threatening nuclear attacks on Poland for putting in a DEFENSE shield with the US...

I think that'd be a pretty wild, entertaining sight to behold.
How depressed does that make you feel?

[KillerGremlin]

Originally Posted by Professor S

I'm literally saddened by this thread. It depresses me.

Maybe you should go check out my OGC Olympics thread, I hear that it raises people's spirits if you know what I mean.

My thoughts on America putting a "missile defense system" in Poland? Huge mistake. I know...they thought they could slip that one by Russia, seriously though what the fuck. Missile defense system? More like first strike response system.

Again, I need to reiterate....anyone who fires a nuclear missile is going to turn into a smoldering crater. We don't need physical nuclear missile defense systems because if someone fires a nuke the whole world is going to shit and no defense system will stop it.

We need logical, rational politics.

[manasecret]

Originally Posted by Professor S

While I like most of the people here, this thread is sich an indictment of the youth of today. Russia is essentially trying to annex Geogia or parts of it, they're about to leave NATO, they are threatening nuclear attacks on Poland for putting in a DEFENSE shield with the US...

And everyone in this thread is talking about nonsense...

I'm literally saddened by this thread. It depresses me.

They're called digressions. The word "digression" or some translation of it has been around since, I dunno, I'm going to guess since the beginning of human linguistic history. Do you think it is only "today's youth" (hint, I'm only seven years younger than you) that have been prone to digressions, despite the word being around for ages? Have you spent every waking moment of the last two weeks or so thinking and talking only about Georgia and Russia?

Again, like the drinking thread, I'm sorry to hijack the thread. But, puh-lease about the "today's youth" crap.

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by manasecret

They're called digressions. The word "digression" or some translation of it has been around since, I dunno, I'm going to guess since the beginning of human linguistic history. Do you think it is only "today's youth" (hint, I'm only seven years younger than you) that have been prone to digressions, despite the word being around for ages? Have you spent every waking moment of the last two weeks or so thinking and talking only about Georgia and Russia?

Again, like the drinking thread, I'm sorry to hijack the thread. But, puh-lease about the "today's youth" crap.

You make the mistake of assuming I don't refer to people my age as well, and I do. I certain;y don;t consider 31 to be "old". It seems like everyone under 40 is simply ignoring the situation, while those with strong memories of the cold war really see what is going on. Thats what I find very sad, how the youyth of today ignore hostory. Worse yet, is how this has become basically a nothing story for the media. The whole situation is pathetic.

As for digressions, there is a diffrence bewteen digressing and firm stuffing ne's head in the sand. There are plenty of places to digress on this forum. This is a serious situation. Digress elsewhere.

As for doubts about the system that is being agreed upon, I had doubts myself about its intent, but every news source I can find has no other proof that it is anything but a defense system so I'll take it at face value until I hear otherwise. Saying anything else is simply basing an basing an opinion on ignorance.

[KillerGremlin]

Again...I ask....why do we need a defense system? If someone is stupid enough to fire missiles at America or launch a nuclear attack they are:

A) most likely a global super power or pissed off third world country (i'm looking at you Iran)
B) starting nuclear war...aka the mass destruction of earth
C) going to get turned into a fucking crater because America is not going to sit idly by while we get blown up

If our government can fabricate false weapons of mass destruction to go to war we will certainly blow the shit out of someone who attacks us with nuclear weapons.

American arrogance aside....no one wants to see a city full of civilians blown up. The argument for putting defensive measures into place is to protect our country when someone goes on the offense.

Who is planning on going on the offensive?

This "defensive" implementation is more like an offense implementation in my opinion. And, prior to this situation we knew Russia would be pissed if we put our little defense system in Poland. So, why did we do it anyway? It takes two people to have a fight, and we certainly aren't helping by provoking Russia. It also doesn't help that Russia is a global superpower, Putin isn't a great guy, and we've already gone through a long Cold War with Russia.

Is history not a clear indicator that provoking the opposing force does not work in resolving issues? I consider the American/Russian relationship neutral, at best. The best way to stay neutral with someone is do neutral things....like not putting a missile defense system in Poland.


Yeah, the media and our US Government are both indicating that this defense system is not capable of delivering a payload that would cause any major harm. Apparently it is nothing more than a defense system. That doesn't change the fact that our government knowingly provoked Russia.

Again, I know very little about politics....it just seems like this was a bad idea. I'm sure our government could have reached a compromise or something?

[KillerGremlin]

Basically, it is my understanding that the Cold War was started and prolonged by a series of escalating events.

Putting a "missile defense system" in Poland is an escalating event, is it not?

We may see it as politically neutral or non-offensive, but Russia does not. The fact that we knew putting it in Poland would upset Russia makes the entire situation an ESCALATING EVENT.

Don't we have enough shit to worry about with the Middle East? Can't we just let the UN sort Russia out?

I swear I'm moving to Canada...legal marijuana, free health care, and a French government that would rather eat wine and cheese than be "noble".

[manasecret]

Originally Posted by KillerGremlin

This "defensive" implementation is more like an offense implementation in my opinion. And, prior to this situation we knew Russia would be pissed if we put our little defense system in Poland. So, why did we do it anyway? It takes two people to have a fight, and we certainly aren't helping by provoking Russia. It also doesn't help that Russia is a global superpower, Putin isn't a great guy, and we've already gone through a long Cold War with Russia.

That's a good point there about being offensive with our defense, and the way I've been thinking about it but couldn't put into words. It's kind of like how Bush and Co. tried to spruce up the idea of invading Iraq, how did they put it? It was like being defensive by attacking first. But isn't that just a back asswards way of saying you're being offensive?

Like the name of that South Park episode, "Two Days Before the Day After Tomorrow."

Why do we need to have this arms race? Is it really that necessary to be offensive with a defensive system in Europe?