Obama Chooses Joe Biden as VP

[Jason1]

Okay, staying in Iraq until "the job is done" is rediculous. Mcain has said we should stay in Iraq 100 years if we have to. He backs this statement up by referring to the fact that we still have troops in Germany and Japan after world war II. WAKE UP PEOPLE, Germany and Japan arent Muslim countries! Thats the difference! As long as we have troops in Iraq, there will be terrorists plotting to kill americans. It really is that simple. Pull out of Iraq = stops terrorism.

And off shore drilling isnt a short term answer, and it isnt even a long term answer. Its a lose - lose situation. People act like off shore drilling will all of a sudden bring our gas prices down. Not going to happen. At the rates we are currently consuming, the worlds oil reserves will be completley gone in 50 years. Thats a scary though to me, we need to end our dependence on all oil, not drill ourselves out of the problem. We cant just drill more and expect this problem to go away forever.

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by Jason1

Okay, staying in Iraq until "the job is done" is rediculous. Mcain has said we should stay in Iraq 100 years if we have to. He backs this statement up by referring to the fact that we still have troops in Germany and Japan after world war II. WAKE UP PEOPLE, Germany and Japan arent Muslim countries! Thats the difference! As long as we have troops in Iraq, there will be terrorists plotting to kill americans. It really is that simple. Pull out of Iraq = stops terrorism.

Two answer both your and Game's questions about the war: We leave when there is a strong, self-governing and self-sustaining government to fill the void. Its that simple. And Jason, your simplistic argument rfeflects more wishful thinking than reality. Most dems and republicans agree that if we left now Iraq would fall into chaos.

And off shore drilling isnt a short term answer, and it isnt even a long term answer. Its a lose - lose situation. People act like off shore drilling will all of a sudden bring our gas prices down. Not going to happen. At the rates we are currently consuming, the worlds oil reserves will be completley gone in 50 years. Thats a scary though to me, we need to end our dependence on all oil, not drill ourselves out of the problem. We cant just drill more and expect this problem to go away forever.

Who do you think saying that it will? Not anyone running for president. Both candidates want to invest in alternative fuels, but only one has a realistic plan to fill the gap until we get there. Thats McCain. There is not magic alternative fuel wand that will fix our energy crisis. We need a COMPREHENSIVE policy expoiting all reserves that we have an developing more for the day when we can move beyond carbon.

And simply ANNOUNCING we have opened up areas to drilling will plummet gas prices. When Bush annouced the removal of the presidential ban, gas started dropping, just because global speculation got nervous. Its basic economics.

[TheGame]

Originally Posted by Professor S

Two answer both your and Game's questions about the war: We leave when there is a strong, self-governing and self-sustaining government to fill the void. Its that simple. And Jason, your simplistic argument rfeflects more wishful thinking than reality. Most dems and republicans agree that if we left now Iraq would fall into chaos.

Its a double edged sword though, if we stay there, there will also stay a state of chaos too. In fact, right now, with us there, there is chaos. So if we leave nothing changes except for the fact that there's no more American casualties.

If we somehow meet this unrealistic goal of the people there stopping their hate for americans and accepting a government we set in place there, Iraq is just going to turn into the new isreal and everyone is going to want to break in and kill them anyway. I think the only way the problem will reach a real resolution is if THEY resove it themselves among their own people, just like we resolved our issues ourselves after fighting off the "opressor".

And to be honest, my old opinion was like yours, that we could just make a government there and leave, But its NOT going to work. If it was going to work, and the people were going to accept it, then it'd already been done. But they will not accept Americans changing them.

[KillerGremlin]

Originally Posted by Jason1

And off shore drilling isnt a short term answer, and it isnt even a long term answer. Its a lose - lose situation. People act like off shore drilling will all of a sudden bring our gas prices down. Not going to happen. At the rates we are currently consuming, the worlds oil reserves will be completley gone in 50 years. Thats a scary though to me, we need to end our dependence on all oil, not drill ourselves out of the problem. We cant just drill more and expect this problem to go away forever.

I hate to burst your bubble (and thousands of other people who lurk around the dark corners of the Internet) but if there was an efficient, cheap and easy alternative to oil you would be using it right now. The fact of the matter is the eternal combustion engine is cheap and efficient. More to the point, there are millions of cars on the road right now, and they all need gas. The American economy runs on oil, the American war machine runs on oil, and so does the rest of the world. That said, we will need oil for at least the next 10 years. I'd rather tap our resources (like Alaska) and maybe see gas dip in price. Actually, part of why gas is so expensive is because of our dependency on foreign oil. Foreign oil is a huge fucking problem; our government, the lobbyists, and the Saudis are having a huge circle jerk.

That said...I LOVEEEE alternative fuel. I'm on board, have been for the past 10 years. Yeah, in 4th or 5th fucking grade we did a project on how plastic bags use petrolium and how it increases oil prices and we need to find alternate fuel sources. Here's some fucking beef: nuclear power. The biggest problem with electric cars is....

Tada! Electricity comes from using OIL!

Electricity also can come from using nuclear power....as for excess nuclear waste? Me, personally, I think we should just blast the stuff into outer space but I'm sure there is a reason we have not done so yet.

I'm not so sure hydrogen or ethanol are good long-term solutions. And, right now solar cells suck ass sooo.....

Personally, on the subject of energy, I'd lean towards the guy who had the most money on nuclear power. And on finding a way to lean less of foreign oil.