GameTavern Votes: Presidential Election 2008

[Dylflon]

I knew that the Professor couldn't go two pages in this thread with out being condescending towards someone else.

[TheGame]

Prof, I agree with you on a lot of what you said, and I do think Bond probably should have left the part about it being his time out.. or at least elaborated on it more. But even with that said, I still agree with Bond on it.

(If I had 2 weeks to make this post it'd sound better, since I'm a tad emotional on the subject. But I'ma make it quickly now.)

You almost have to look at the bigger picture. The reason to go for Obama is a lot more then his stance on certain issues, the very fact that he's about to be elected stands for a LOT more then just that.

My first point, throwing race completly out the window for this one... is the fact that you have a guy who is running one of the cleanest campaigns for president in recent history. I'm not gonna toss down the flag and say Obama has won, but lets look at it like this. If Mccain wins, what does it prove about politics? If Obama wins, what does it prove about them?

If Mccain wins, it proves that using fear and pointless off subject attacks actually plays over well with the american people. If Mccain wins, it proves that politics will be going in the same direction, straight to hell... And by him pulling it off it'll leave an impression on future people running for president that if you go low enough, even as far as trying to imply the person you're running against is a terrorist, it can help you "win".

If Obama wins, it proves that you can run a clean respectful election and win. If Obama wins, it proves to politians that the American people know how to look past low blow attacks, look past an unfortunate name, and look past race and judge people based more off of the content of their character.

Granted, I'll be the first to admit his race gives him advantages among certan crowds, as does Mccain's. But I think the implications made by electing a black president that will do our country good, It proves what america stands for, that we're truely a place that accepts change, and that accepts everyone. I think other countries would give us some credit for this.

Beyond that, what has made all the great presidents great wasn't just their stance on a few good issues, not everyone in the country agreed with them or voted for them. This includes John F. Kennedy, Lincoln, Roosevelt, Jefferson, and even Washington.... What made them stand out in history (besides the fact that some of them were killed), is the fact that they had this presence to them that inspired people in their country to grow and be better.

No matter what Obama does, may he make mistakes or not, he will reignite the base of America in my opinion. That's why I'd call it his time. He is an inspirational speaker, he is a good person, and I think he loves his family, and loves his country. (And its sad I can't say that without questioning it about most recent times presidents)

Of course, as President Bush has proven, you don't know what they'll do until they get into power. But, would you rather trust someone who is running the most negitive campaign in history, and who has made extremely bad political feuled decisions just to get extra votes? Or would you rather truth the guy who is running a clean campaign, who is very inspirational... Who actually has the power to tell the american people something they don't want to hear, but they could still support it because he's respectful about it?

Are you rally looking for a positive change? Or are you looking for more of the same, and more of these elections to be trashy and unprofessional?

I'ma cut it off here, I could have probably written a lot more about it. But that's why I think its his time, and that's why I'm voting for Obama. Maybe 4-8 years from now a person who shares my more conservative views will come along and play the cards right. At this point, I feel like voting for Mccain would be a bad decision and it will not fare good for the country in the long term.

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by Dylflon

I knew that the Professor couldn't go two pages in this thread with out being condescending towards someone else.

Nothing in my post responding to Bond's comments were condescending, or were at least not intended to be. More exasperated than condescending, and I will admit to being a bit put-off by Bond's reasoning considering his political alignments, and that showed in my post. For that I apologize if it came off insulting. The questions were intended to be honest questions to someone who is philispohically conservative yet voting for Obama, who is now exposed to be a REAL socialist after this bomb-shell:



The man wants to flip the consitution on it's head. If the democrat running was Bill Clinton or even John Kerry, I would kind of understand where Bond was coming from, but its not. The democrat running is Barack Obama, and all the EVIDENCE points to the fact that Barack is the farthest left of any major candidate in recent years, if not ever. Notice I say evidence, and not Obama's rhetoric, which is very reasonable. But when you compare Obama's rhetoric to his actions as a public figure, they don't match up in the least.

And Xantar, this conversation has nothing to do with your view on politics, but is intended to be a conversation between two fiscally conservative people about why they would vote for Obama, since it goes against everything that a fiscal conservative stands for, and when Bond did not address his core values in that area that he's shown over the years in his reasoning, it shocks me. And your obvious baiting is a little tiresome, especially when you reference threads from a month or more ago, but its nice to know I've gotten to you. And with that I will no longer read any of your responses. See how annoying that is?