Pay Tribute to the Greatest

[uber_paddler]

MGS says hi.

[Angrist]

I just went 7 years forward in time. The first thing I did was get Epona.

[Seth]

I've never played a MGS game. Should I start with twin snakes for the GC? Also, since the topic has been discussed, is there a way for me to 'reformat' my macbook without the cd's that came with it? I bought it off a girl for 400 bucks but it's full of her crappy dog photos and other shite.
Also, my macbook speakers recently stopped working. When I use the up/down volume keys it displays a no can do circle, but if i plug in some headphones the volume can be adjusted no problem. I'm wondering if it's a setting or hardware failure.

[uber_paddler]

No. Just no. Twin Snakes was an abomination, and every copy should be purged from existence.

[Combine 017]

Originally Posted by uber_paddler

No. Just no. Twin Snakes was an abomination, and every copy should be purged from existence.

But its the best one ive ever played!

Coincidentally its the only one ive ever played.

[BreakABone]

Originally Posted by Combine 017

But its the best one ive ever played!

Coincidentally its the only one ive ever played.

Same here.
Though I do own 4 and intend to start it one of these days.

[DeathsHand]

Yeah, really... What's bad about Twin Snakes? *scratches noggin*
Especially with Seth's situation of never having played a MGS before, I think it'd be quite the way to be introduced to the series from the beginning...

[TheGame]

I agree with Deathshand, twin snakes isn't a bad one to start with. However I think MGS2 is also pretty good to start with since by that game makes you meet snake as a legend opposed to meeting him as the tool. But I think either way is fine..

[Angrist]

Zelda. Ocarina of Time. Talk about that.

[uber_paddler]

Twin Snakes is not good because it absolutely bastardizes the original. They add a new perspective, and new mechanics, without changing the game to suit it, thus making the experience broken. Not only that but the cutscenes were redone(crappily, and totally misrepresenting Snake).

And no, you can't start with MGS2, that's retarded. That's like saying "gee, I think I'll read LotR, but start on the second book instead." The first game is vital when it comes to the experience that is MGS. If you want to get the real experience, start with the original MGS(gem of a game) and work your way through to 4.

[TheGame]

Originally Posted by uber_paddler

And no, you can't start with MGS2, that's retarded. That's like saying "gee, I think I'll read LotR, but start on the second book instead." The first game is vital when it comes to the experience that is MGS. If you want to get the real experience, start with the original MGS(gem of a game) and work your way through to 4.

I disagree being a person who started MGS late, MGS2 was the first one I completed. I actually played MGS1 for Psx first and got maybe 2 hours into the game, but the horribly out dated graphics and game mechanics for the time I played it made it a pain. When I played through MGS2 it gave me more interest in the story of MGS1, and made me push through the Psx version.. then eventually I got through the NES ones, MGS3, bought Ps3 for MGS4, bought a PSP for MGS: PO (And resold the PSP, then bought again for the add on, then resold again).

I think each Metal gear 'Solid' game has a stand alone storyline except for MGS4. MGS1 You're Solid snake, there's tons of side story and back story you don't play through. MGS2 you're raiden, same deal.. tons of back story and side stories you don't play through. MGS3 you're big boss... once again so many holes in the past and even the future of that story.

MGS2 sets the stage more for MGS4 then any other game with actually introducing the overall enemy of the series. I don't want to downplay MGS1, but from personal experience starting the series in the Ps2/360 Era.. I can tell you if I went into the series with the idea that MGS1 HAD to be completed before moving on to part 2, I'd have not went out of my way to be as hardcore of a MGS fan as I am now.

Actually, if you're going to do MGS1, I'd say play twin snakes first, because the Psx one is just one of those games where systems were just converting to 3D and its gameplay mechanics show itself to be very horrible these days.

[mickydaniels]

I'd just like to remind everyone that MGS is not the 1st game in the series. Metal Gear is, followed by Metal Gear 2. MGS is in many ways a remake of MG2 (gameplaywise).
If you can find a copy of MGS3:Subsistence, then get that for the 2d games.
Anyway, i highly disagree that playing mgs1 is vital, 2 is practically stands on its own, and 3 is a prequel. But, the way 4 is designed everything that came before it is vital.
fyi, i played mgs2,mgs3, mg1,mg2, mgs. mgs really makes no sense wo the 2d games.

[TheGame]

Metal Gear (1) had a very basic storyline, one that could be told in less than a paragraph maybe. lol

MSX2 (Metal Gear 2) is where you finally get a somewhat deep story.. It doesn't compare to MGS games in deepness, but it was the first with its theme of blurring the lines between good and evil in war is is definently a relevant story to help push along the newer ones.

I would say MSX2 is more needed to understand MGS1 then MGS1 was needed to understand MGS2. Raiden was a new fresh character who dismissed his whole past, so you don't need a game before to understand him. And he's thrown into a wild situation that was escalating for years that he knows nothing about so its a bit easier to relate to Raiden then the veteren Snake.

In MGS1 Snake has already long known the Colonel, Big Boss, and Grey Fox, and their stories were very relevant to the game, and snake was already a legendary mercenary but for reasons you never got to play through if you start with MGS1.

[TheSlyMoogle]

I would just like to point out that Master Quest was amazing. I never had to think as much with Zelda puzzles in any other Zelda game, and it was basically OoT but harder.

Uhm but... That being said it still wasn't that hard. Zelda games are too easy some times. Which is why... OoT can't be the best game ever...

I'm hoping the best game ever hasn't been made yet. It gives me something to live for.

[Soviet Stinger]

I liked MGS3...

THE FEAR

But yeah, yeah, Zelda, incredible, etc. I don't know, I do have to get it some props. It's the only RPG I've ever played, save City of Villains, that could hold my attention at all.