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Old 02-23-2009, 09:35 AM   #1
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I find that part to be an interesting theory....The idea being that if someone receives a $600 check, they'll probably save that and throw it right in the bank. But, if they have an extra 10 bucks, maybe they'll go out for dinner or a movie because it seems like a more frivolous amount it might turn into frivolous spending. A small step, but probably a good one.
If anything I think it will get thrown into diapers/food/gas etc. The number is so small it's almost too little to be considered beyond necessities, much less stimulus, IMO. The question we have to ask ourselves is this: Does $13 a week build any confidence in a frightened consumer base?

I'm not a fan of tax payers receiving a big check once a year, for reasons I've talked about earlier, but I also don't think an extra $13 a week is going to help anyone pay their mortgage, spring for the extra bedroom addition they need or buy a new car. Stimulus is intended to stimulate the economy that makes work, and work creates jobs.

I've been biding my time on judging the stimulus, hoping that it will work despite my philisophical objections, but I'm confident enough to say that this stimulus bill will fail. The more I read about this stimulus, the more I realize that it isn't one. Small businesses have receive little to no help (unless small business regularly give out huge bonuses and buy private aircraft), and they employ over half of Americans. The middle class has received little to no help. So far the only groups that have made out on any of these legislative actions are large corporations and those that don't pay taxes in the first place because they'll be receiving free money through "tax credits", and are very unlikely to create any jobs with only a few hundred dollars extra a year.

There is NO stimulus to investment at all, and we see the results in how the stock market has reacted to the bill. Investment FUNDS our private enterprise and creates jobs, and it's been ignored.

The housing bill aids those that entered into bad mortgages and speculated using risky loan products, but doesn't help people who signed good motgages but have been laid-off and are having trouble making payments. It's pathetic and rewwards people for making poor choices, rather than helping everyone in trouble across the board. You know what would help people pay these mortages? Keeping a lot more of their own money.

Meanwhile small businesses and the middle class are left holding the bag, with the slim hope that public works projects will get the economy going again... the only problem is public works have NEVER improved the economy or created long term jobs, as illustrated in the Great Depression.

It's just so frustrating to see such opportunity get squandered because politicians only care about private enterprise as far as their campaign contributions take them. It's either big business or no business when it comes to stimulus help... meanwhile storefronts in my area keep emptying and unemployment rises.
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Old 02-23-2009, 09:51 AM   #2
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Here we go!

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0209/19165.html

If we won't let companies fail, we only enable more failure. LET THEM FAIL. The fact is whethere or not the assets they hold are toxic, they are worth a lot, and someone will purchase them and the company. If the government continues to enable this type of poor management, we will never see an organic, darwinistic reformantion of the financial sector.

Every great success is the result of failure. Failure informs us, while not letting companies fail simply promotes medicrity or worse. Its actions like these that will EXTEND our recession, not improve it.
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Old 02-23-2009, 12:10 PM   #3
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Old 02-23-2009, 10:10 PM   #4
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but I'm confident enough to say that this stimulus bill will fail.
Riiiiiight. This is the same person who said Obama would never be able to win a general election, then oh no changed his opinion to say that Obama will win, but it will be a very close election...GIVE ME A BREAK MAN! Obama won by 8 million votes!

I dont know why anyone even bothers to read your posts anymore...

People said I embarrased myself with my opinions...at at least when im confident in something I actually end up being right...
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Old 02-24-2009, 08:43 AM   #5
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Riiiiiight. This is the same person who said Obama would never be able to win a general election, then oh no changed his opinion to say that Obama will win, but it will be a very close election...GIVE ME A BREAK MAN! Obama won by 8 million votes!

I dont know why anyone even bothers to read your posts anymore...

People said I embarrased myself with my opinions...at at least when im confident in something I actually end up being right...
It's hard to be wrong when you don't say anything substantive... but thats not really the same as being right, is it? Especially when you quote only part of a sentence of my post and ignore any of the previous or continued content or the context in which it is presented...

As for the election, we've already hashed that out long ago with the conclusion you simply ignore the financial collapse in August as a game changer, and I believe it was a game changer (opinion I shared on the day of the collapse). Nothing further needs be discussed as we've said it all before. Call it a difference of opinion.

But in the end, how does this topic have anything to do with the election? We're talking about economics, not politics. If you wish to disagree with my criticisms, all I ask is that you do so on a content basis, and not an emotional one. I don't like the idea that the stimulus will fail. I have a 401k that needs it succeed. But based in the bill' merits, I simply don't see how it will work. I may be wrong, but that is an inherent risk when you put yourself out in the realm of ideas and don't base every argument on anger and spite.

What is it specifically about my concerns do you believe are unwarranted, and why?

What is it about the stimulus do you believe will work, and why?


You seem less convinced that this stimulus will work, than of the idea that I am wrong for the sake of my being wrong. A conversation is not running into a room an screaming "you're a big dummy" and then running out, relishing in your rapier wit. Its an exchange of ideas, and after all these years I'm still waiting for you to share one.
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