Obama to brainwash youths of America

[TheGame]

Originally Posted by Professor S

The fact is more people are for tax cuts than they are for public health programs.

And thats exactly why the last elections turned out the way they did right?

The fact is more people supported the Iraq war when it happened and the Patriot Act than believe in global warming (Cap and Trade).

I agree, but its hard for the american people not to support something that was justified with so many lies.

The fact is Bush did what he did, regardless of whether or not you agree with it, and got reelected handily in 2004.

Won handily? Last I checked a lot of people thought Kerry should have won with the whole fiasco in florida. Obama won by a much larger margin then Bush ever did.

Bush's policies got approved because he was convincing in his arguments, for whatever reason you wish to attach. This isn't a statement of personal approval, it's a observation of fact.

In my opinion, Bush's policies won because Democrats are weak and bow their heads to republicans whenever they get a chance. They're even too weak to use the advantage they now have in Washignton.

Obama's policies are not being approved because republicans are not weak and will not bow their heads to a liberal. And because democrats are too weak to use the power they have now dispite republican's opinions on the matter.

The fact is that if Obama forced through policies with the amount of opposition he faces now, he would be rode out of office on a rail in 2012 (with possibly and attempt on his life before that, sadly), and the Dems would suffer a election holocaust in 2010, and all this work they're trying to do would be gleefully erased within 2 years. Obama isn't a wimp, he's pragmatic and he understands what he can and can't get away with if he wants to achieve his goals and make them stick.

What policies did Obama force through? How much has Obama really changed in the last 8 months? And as much as progressives don't agree of how he's handling things now, do you really think they'd sink low enough to vote for republicans? Why?

President Obama needs to convince the American people that his ideas are the right ones. To date, he hasn't been able to do so.

Agreed, though I don't think its ideas that's hurting him. Its his lack of action that's hurting him worse with his base.

[KillerGremlin]

Bush had confidence. Confidence is an important part of winning people over if you are a public speaker. I enjoyed listening to Bush's speeches; underrated, IMO.

[TheGame]

Originally Posted by KillerGremlin

Bush had confidence. Confidence is an important part of winning people over if you are a public speaker. I enjoyed listening to Bush's speeches; underrated, IMO.

Bush's speeches made me feel uncomfortable. Its like watching a bad comedian.

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by TheGame

And thats exactly why the last elections turned out the way they did right?

I'll completely agree with you there, and thats because at that point he had lost the argument (and stopped caring, IMO). But in 2004 he won that argument and that was my point. Bush swayed the will of the American people, and that is what Obama has failed in doing.

I agree, but its hard for the american people not to support something that was justified with so many lies.

There is no proof, ZERO, that anyone lied. There is a ton of here-say and logical leaps based on truth that have no real connections, but no real evidence. Misinformed? Incorrect? Negligent, even? Sure. But the rest of the world was misinformed as well. To claim that Bush "lied" is an opinion with little to support it. I'll end my debate on Iraq there, as it's ludicrous to rehash it at this point.

Won handily? Last I checked a lot of people thought Kerry should have won with the whole fiasco in florida. Obama won by a much larger margin then Bush ever did.

You're wrong on two counts. 1) It was Ohio not Florida that was in contention in 2004 and 2) When Bush won in 2004 it was close in electoral votes, but at the time he won by the largest margin of actual votes in history. Obama did break that record, I believe.

In my opinion, Bush's policies won because Democrats are weak and bow their heads to republicans whenever they get a chance. They're even too weak to use the advantage they now have in Washignton.

I disagree completely. They aren't acting because they like their jobs and don't want to lose them.

Obama's policies are not being approved because republicans are not weak and will not bow their heads to a liberal. And because democrats are too weak to use the power they have now dispite republican's opinions on the matter.

This is the weakest the Republicans have been since Nixon. If the dems can't win now... maybe there are other reasons... like Americans think they have genuinely bad ideas...

What policies did Obama force through?

None. I never said he did. I was responding those who posted saying that he should.

How much has Obama really changed in the last 8 months? And as much as progressives don't agree of how he's handling things now, do you really think they'd sink low enough to vote for republicans? Why?

You really think progressives are the ones who got him elected? Progressives will generally vote for whoever is in a democrat suit, just as conservatives will generally vote for whoever is in a Republican suit. Its the center that wins elections.

Agreed, though I don't think its ideas that's hurting him. Its his lack of action that's hurting him worse with his base.

His base didn't get him elected, and his base isn't what has him in trouble now. What he's losing is the center, who voted for hope and change without really knowing what that meant, and now that they're seeing it in action, and argued terribly at that, they've retreated. If there was any kind of real leader on the Republican side, he'd be in even worse trouble.