2009 Nobel Peace Prize - Page 2

Seth · 10-09-2009, 11:40 PM

and then they invaded Iran...

Giving it to Gore already sodomized Nobel's prestige. Whatever, maybe this will add some tipping point conscience tweak while he's about to fall asleep tonight, thinking about the pressure that the prize would naturally induce, given merely on intentions.

Professor S · 10-12-2009, 12:36 PM

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This is just the world's way of saying, "Thanks for getting rid of Bush."

Well then he'd still not be worthy of the award. Term limits got rid of Bush. Obama had nothing to do with it.

Vampyr · 10-12-2009, 02:33 PM

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Well then he'd still not be worthy of the award. Term limits got rid of Bush. Obama had nothing to do with it.

Then maybe it's more like, "thanks for not being Bush".

Professor S · 10-12-2009, 03:06 PM

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Then maybe it's more like, "thanks for not being Bush".

That can agree with. We could have elected a Perdue Oven Stuffer Roaster and it would have gotten the Nobel Peace Prize.

Typhoid · 10-12-2009, 03:08 PM

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That can agree with. We could have elected a Perdue Oven Stuffer Roaster and it would have gotten the Nobel Peace Prize.

That doesn't really give any validity to it, however.

KillerGremlin · 10-12-2009, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Professor S

Well then he'd still not be worthy of the award. Term limits got rid of Bush. Obama had nothing to do with it.

I agree. I was just joking of course. And then SNL stole my joke this week in their opening skit.

I need to start trademarking my shit so I can sell it to the unfunny a-holes at SNL.

TheGame · 10-12-2009, 03:17 PM

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Then maybe it's more like, "thanks for not being Bush".

No it's more like "Thanks for being against the idea of Bush"

Bush was a world wide joke, and easilly one of the most hated people in the world by both terrorists, his own people, and other countries that are considered to be allies. Bush ruined the reputation of the free world in general.

Obama wasn't even running directly against Mccain, he was running against Bush's ideas last election. And that was enough to get him nominated for the prize since the world hated Bush so much. And once he took his job, he appologized to other countries for all of Bush's dumb mistakes.

That's my theory on why he won the Nobel peace prize.

(And that's why he won the election too, his own people were against the idea of Bush. Mccain, even though he was a different person then Bush... wasn't against the idea of Bush. Which is why he got destroyed last election. If he'd have joined the world in our hatred of Bush, he'd have stood a chance on other issues.)

KillerGremlin · 10-12-2009, 03:37 PM

I'm sorry but glancing through the list of Noble Peace Prize laureates and seeing names like Jane Addams, Mother Teresa, Nelson Mandela, Martin Luther King J....and then, Obama?

I mean jeez, the guy hasn't been President for a year yet. He has great ideas but he still hasn't resolved the conflict in the Middle East, resolved our economic problems, resolved the health care issue, fulfilled his promises to the LGBT community....

Hey, you know what, congrats to him. I mean whatever, I don't care. History always fucks the important people over. It's pretty typical of history to shaft important individuals. I mean look at Thomas Edison, the guy was a huge asshole. No one gives props to Tesla. So it will give historians some fodder for 100 years from now.

Professor S · 10-12-2009, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGame

No it's more like "Thanks for being against the idea of Bush"

Bush was a world wide joke, and easilly one of the most hated people in the world by both terrorists, his own people, and other countries that are considered to be allies. Bush ruined the reputation of the free world in general.

Obama wasn't even running directly against Mccain, he was running against Bush's ideas last election. And that was enough to get him nominated for the prize since the world hated Bush so much. And once he took his job, he appologized to other countries for all of Bush's dumb mistakes.

That's my theory on why he won the Nobel peace prize.

(And that's why he won the election too, his own people were against the idea of Bush. Mccain, even though he was a different person then Bush... wasn't against the idea of Bush. Which is why he got destroyed last election. If he'd have joined the world in our hatred of Bush, he'd have stood a chance on other issues.)

I can agree with much of that, I would simply include the market crash in Sept. `08 as bein a huge factor in the election as well. The election had gotten reasonably close to that point, buts soon as the economy shit the bed McCain didn't have a prayer because he had an "R" in front of his name.

Also, as mentioned before he was basically nominated for winning the election because he had only been president for 8 days at the time, so I doubt his (embarassing, IMO) apology tour had much influence.

But in the end, it's an award given for speeches and general ideas and little accomplishment. In fact, we don't even know if his tactics will inspire world peace or encourage bad actors to seize for opportunities. This all could end up blowing up in the Western world's face is the bad actors aren't as inspired as the Eurpeans seem to be.

Oh, and for the record I hold no ill will toward Pres. Obama for winning. How could you? He woke up and won the Nobel Peace Prize. It's not like he won it in a foot race or something.

TheGame · 10-12-2009, 03:54 PM

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But in the end, it's an award given for speeches and general ideas and little accomplishment.

I agree with you for the most part, though I still would say the "accomplishment" that he won it for is being against the policy of Bush and winning over the people while making Bush look bad.

It'd be like someone winning the election in Iran pointing out all their countries faults. And then turning around and reassuring the world that their goal is for peace in the middle east and that they won't attack isreal etc. And saying they're willing to talk with the free nations and work together to help that area.

Of course putting into action all of those ideas would not be easy. But the very fact that the right ideas would have won out, likely would have made this imaginary person a world wide hero.. And countries would support that to keep them moving in that direction.

Obama just won a war of ideas. Will they be implemented? Time will tell, but its obvious now that the world supports Obama being against Bush.

Professor S · 10-12-2009, 04:15 PM

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I agree with you for the most part, though I still would say the "accomplishment" that he won it for is being against the policy of Bush and winning over the people while making Bush look bad.

Well then you and my definition of "accomplishment" are very different, I guess.

Also, I don't see how Obama wins a war of ideas when he basically tells people what they want to hear when in other nations. To "win" assumes there was a competition of ideas. The competition of ideas is in Iran, North Korea, Russia and China and to date he hasn't accomplished anything in those venues.

TheGame · 10-12-2009, 04:29 PM

Just so you know, I don't personally think he deserved the prize myself (not that I could name anyone else who does deserve it in this age). I'm just pointing out why I think he won it.

We don't really have a personal arguement on what is or isn't an accomplishment that earns you such a prize.. I'm just pointing out why the people on that comitee justified making Obama a winner.

And I think its more then telling people what they want to hear. Its going against your own leadership to promote world peace. And not only that, doing it in a peaceful manner, and winning.. Unfortunately that's not something that's done every day.

-EDIT-

By the way, you should read this:

http://www.ktracy.com/2009/nobel-pea...complishments/

Its not the first time someone won the prize based off of intent to do well opposed to actual accomplishments.

Professor S · 10-12-2009, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGame

Just so you know, I don't personally think he deserved the prize myself (not that I could name anyone else who does deserve it in this age). I'm just pointing out why I think he won it.

We don't really have a personal arguement on what is or isn't an accomplishment that earns you such a prize.. I'm just pointing out why the people on that comitee justified making Obama a winner.

And I think its more then telling people what they want to hear. Its going against your own leadership to promote world peace. And not only that, doing it in a peaceful manner, and winning.. Unfortunately that's not something that's done every day.

1) Isn't he the leadership?

2) Who did he go against when he made the world tour?

TheGame · 10-12-2009, 09:09 PM

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1) Isn't he the leadership?

2) Who did he go against when he made the world tour?

He went against Bush ideas, and won the election... which is what got him nominated less then 2 weeks after he became president. He appologized for Bush and America on his world tour, and promoted peace.. which is probably why he won the award.

Can't say I'm sure what you thought I was saying.. but I hope that clears it up lol