Sony Motion Controller

[Angrist]

Ok this is the first time I had time to watch the 'Move-ies.'
What can I say? The technology looks better than the Wii's. Which shouldn't be surprising with a 4 year's difference.

The software though... bleh. Shovelware BUT WITH GRAPHICS THIS TIME!!

I don't think these expansions will catch on. The Wii doesn't sell because of motion controls anymore, it sells because of its reputation. People won't want a copy-cat, they want the real deal. They want Miis, Wii Sports, white plastic.

[TheGame]

Originally Posted by Xantar

So...we can all agree Sony Move is going to fail, right? Is anybody going to bother actually arguing my point?

Depends, what would you consider failure? How many sales would be a failure, how many would be questionable, and how many sales would be a sucsess? Lets be realistic here.

[Typhoid]

Originally Posted by TheGame

Depends, what would you consider failure? How many sales would be a failure, how many would be questionable, and how many sales would be a sucsess? Lets be realistic here.

Obviously if it doesn't surpass the Wii in sales it's a complete and utter failure.

[TheGame]

Originally Posted by Typhoid

Obviously if it doesn't surpass the Wii in sales it's a complete and utter failure.

If that's what's considered failure.. then I would bet every paycheck I have for the rest of the year that it'll fail.

[Xantar]

Originally Posted by TheGame

Depends, what would you consider failure? How many sales would be a failure, how many would be questionable, and how many sales would be a sucsess? Lets be realistic here.

You tell me. Do you think 20% uptake would be a success? Because that's about the best case scenario.

Or instead of sales, let's try this: if after a year publishers decide that it's not worth giving more than token support to Move, and if games designed to use Move slow down to a trickle of gimmick shovelware, would you consider that a success? Because that's what's going to happen.

[TheGame]

Originally Posted by Xantar

You tell me. Do you think 20% uptake would be a success? Because that's about the best case scenario.

Or instead of sales, let's try this: if after a year publishers decide that it's not worth giving more than token support to Move, and if games designed to use Move slow down to a trickle of gimmick shovelware, would you consider that a success? Because that's what's going to happen.

Hey I asked first!

You tell me.. how many sales would it have to have for you to be like "wow I was wrong, it succeeded". If 20% uptake is your definition of sucsess, then I agree it will fail. 20% would mean it's have to sell around 7 million.

-EDIT-

And in case I read it wrong.. are you saying that if it continues to get support for more then a year it is a sucsess? I don't know, I'm trying not to put words in your mouth. How many sales and how long would it have to be supported for it to be a sucsess in your eyes?

[Typhoid]

Originally Posted by Xantar

You tell me. Do you think 20% uptake would be a success? Because that's about the best case scenario.

Or instead of sales, let's try this: if after a year publishers decide that it's not worth giving more than token support to Move, and if games designed to use Move slow down to a trickle of gimmick shovelware, would you consider that a success? Because that's what's going to happen.

You mean sort of how no Wii really game successfully uses motion control aside from Wii Sports resort and maybe 10 other games, and the games released all have the option for GC controllers because that's what people would rather use?

[BreakABone]

Originally Posted by Typhoid

You mean sort of how no Wii really game successfully uses motion control aside from Wii Sports resort and maybe 10 other games, and the games released all have the option for GC controllers because that's what people would rather use?

The first is only an opinion, which I disagree with.

The second is factually wrong, as there are only 40+ Wii games that offer any type of GameCube controller support, which is a very tiny %.

And here's the real kicker, to me anyhow, that is exactly why the Move will fail. The Cube controller is offered ONLY as an option in most of those games, and you claim people prefer it, now imagine the reverse. Where the "normal" controller is the standard one, and the motion one is offered as an option. How many developers will support it? How many will even come up with those "10 other Wii games" as you say.

And that's why the Move will fail, not just because its an add-on, but because from a business standpoint and from a gamer's standpoint, it doesn't make sense.

[Xantar]

Originally Posted by TheGame

Hey I asked first!

You tell me.. how many sales would it have to have for you to be like "wow I was wrong, it succeeded". If 20% uptake is your definition of sucsess, then I agree it will fail. 20% would mean it's have to sell around 7 million.

-EDIT-

And in case I read it wrong.. are you saying that if it continues to get support for more then a year it is a sucsess? I don't know, I'm trying not to put words in your mouth. How many sales and how long would it have to be supported for it to be a sucsess in your eyes?

I think 20% by any standard is a failure. And I think the Move will be lucky if it even reaches that high. And neither you nor Typhoid have given any solid evidence or arguments to tell me why it will do any better than that.

I think Move will be a success when it's widely seen to be essential that every major game released on the PS3 must use it, whether that happens next year or three years from now. The reason I think Move will fail is because I think that will never happen. The only chance is for Sony to include Move 2 on the PS4. But right now, Move is going to fail by any reasonable standard you care to use.

Also, fix your damn spell check. Seeing "sucsess" repeatedly is getting on my nerves.

You mean sort of how no Wii really game successfully uses motion control aside from Wii Sports resort and maybe 10 other games, and the games released all have the option for GC controllers because that's what people would rather use?

Nice try trolling me. And now that I know you can't even count, do you want to try to convince me that Sony Move will be used by even 20% of PS3 owners?

[Typhoid]

The second is factually wrong, as there are only 40+ Wii games that offer any type of GameCube controller support, which is a very tiny %.

I meant to put 'prefer' in there.

Of the games that use motion control, please post a long list of games that are considered "Awesome games to have for motion control" that aren't the following:

Wii Sports/Resort
Any game with 'Wii' in the name
Mario Kart/Mario
Madworld

And of course there is a very tiny percentage of games that actually offer GC support. There are hundreds of nameless and faceless boxes of crap for the Wii that are made for toddlers. If you flood the market with crap, it will obviously change the ratios.

And that's why the Move will fail, not just because its an add-on, but because from a business standpoint and from a gamer's standpoint, it doesn't make sense.

This is what I don't get. This view.

Wii Motion Control = great idea! Brilliant! Plan the parade route!
Sony Motion Control/Natal = Terrible idea. Won't work. Epic failure.


Edit:

Nice try trolling me. And now that I know you can't even count, do you want to try to convince me that Sony Move will be used by even 20% of PS3 owners?

Let's hold that tongue there, chap.

As I said to Bab, I meant to stick 'prefer' in there.
So it would be : "Of the games that are successful and use motion control (obviously aside from Mario Galaxy) how many opt for the GC controllers instead of Motion Support?"

Do you play Smash Bros with the wiimote? I, nor anyone I know sure doesn't. Do you use the Wiimote for racing on Mario Kart? I, nor anyone I know sure doesn't.

Thus was my point.

And neither you nor Typhoid have given any solid evidence or arguments to tell me why it will do any better than that.

And you haven't given any solid evidence of why it will fail miserably.
This goes both ways.

[TheGame]

Originally Posted by Xantar

I think 20% by any standard is a failure. And I think the Move will be lucky if it even reaches that high. And neither you nor Typhoid have given any solid evidence or arguments to tell me why it will do any better than that.

I don't believe 20% would be a failure, but I also don't think it will reach 20%. So my your definition, I think that it will fail also. So we're in agreement on that much.

I think Move will be a success when it's widely seen to be essential that every major game released on the PS3 must use it, whether that happens next year or three years from now. The reason I think Move will fail is because I think that will never happen.

I don't think that will ever happen, but I also think that isn't the "goal".

[Typhoid]

I think Move will be a success when it's widely seen to be essential that every major game released on the PS3 must use it, whether that happens next year or three years from now. The reason I think Move will fail is because I think that will never happen.

What a load of shit.
Either you're actually trying to play stupid to get people angry, or it's just happening on it's own.


So in that sense the Wii is a total failure, because not every game strictly uses Motion Control.

[TheGame]

Originally Posted by Typhoid

What a load of shit.
Either you're actually trying to play stupid to get people angry, or it's just happening on it's own.

So in that sense the Wii is a total failure, because not every game strictly uses Motion Control.

He's not saying that every game would need it.. just that every game would have some type of use for it. Like an option to play with it. I think a lot more games will support it then one would think. It wouldn't be hard for them to mock the controls for the sports game (for example) as an option.

Especially if Sony gives some incentive to do so. (by incentive, I mean money)

But I agree, that's setting expectations too high.. and that's not going to happen.

[Xantar]

Originally Posted by Typhoid

I meant to put 'prefer' in there.


And you haven't given any solid evidence of why it will fail miserably.
This goes both ways.

Really? You didn't see my other posts in this very thread explaining why the Move is going to fail? Are you by any chance functionally illiterate? Because, I mean, I'm sorry if you are. That's a terrible condition to have.

Otherwise, maybe you should go back and look again.

Oh by the way, I do in fact play Smash Bros with the Wiimote/Nunchuk combo. I played in BAB's tournament that way. I forget who I was playing against, but I don't think I did too badly. Nonetheless, that's neither here nor there.

What a load of shit.
Either you're actually trying to play stupid to get people angry, or it's just happening on it's own.


So in that sense the Wii is a total failure, because not every game strictly uses Motion Control.

First of all, the word "major" is key here. Again, I'm sorry if you're actually functionally illiterate, but I'm working on the assumption that you have a ninth grade education at the very least.

Also, the Wiimote is not an add-on to the Wii. Move, on the other hand, is. It has a much higher goal to reach before it can be considered a success.

Tell you what, though: you tell me what your standard is for Move to be considered a success or a failure. I guarantee Move will not meet it. You can save this post and come back to it a year from now if you like.

[Typhoid]

Originally Posted by Xantar

Really? You didn't see my other posts in this very thread explaining why the Move is going to fail? Are you by any chance functionally illiterate? Because, I mean, I'm sorry if you are. That's a terrible condition to have.

Otherwise, maybe you should go back and look again.

You're really filling the void well, aren't you?
So because you say something, that makes it true?
Tell me, when will the world end?
When will the big earthquake in Vancouver happen?
I mean, you can clearly tell me something that hasnt happened yet will do horribly based on opinion alone, so I'd like to know these other things, too.
That would really help me out, thanks.

I find it hilarious that when you give an opinion of why something will do bad - it's factual. When me or Game do it, it's wrong - and we're not reading things properly and are completely illiterate.
Stop the dick waving contest. Nobody cares.
We're a small forum and there's no need to act like a fucking child on the internet. It's possible to have a conversation without talking down to other people. I hope for the sake of people you know in real life that you're well aware of that.
See, I can do it too. It clearly doesn't take someone literate or competent.

Maybe I'll chalk it up to you being a child.
Maybe I can chalk it up to some type of brain injury you got when your father was beating your mother during pregnancy.
Maybe you have a small penis and compensate for it by telling other people over the internet that they aren't smart because their opinion of a video game is different than yours.
I wish we were all as awesome and tough as you are.
See what I mean - conversation with insults gets nowhere.
Let it the fuck go.