Nintendo Announces 3DS

manasecret · 03-26-2010, 05:28 PM

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So -- in terms of sales -- considering what I said about the PS3 3D and media post-Avatar, how do you think that consumers are not ready for 3D-handhelds?

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Because say you're looking at the middle of the screen playing Mario; Awesome, Mario is in 3D! Now say you have to do something near the edge of the screen; The 3D would be ruined because the screen is so small, and 'real life' is within your direct peripheral vision, ruining the illusion.

3D is only good, or great when you can't see the edges of the screen.
Even Avatar looked like shit when you peered off to the sides.

But those are two different points, and the 2nd is not a valid reason for the 1st. Namely --

1. The 3DS will do poorly in sales because the consumer is not yet ready for 3D. I submit that this is false for the reasons given, namely the humongous success of Avatar.

2. The 3DS will do poorly in sales because the 3D technology on the handheld doesn't work that well, for the reasons you gave, or others. This could be a valid point, but no one outside of Nintendo yet knows how well it works.

So, really, it sounds like the reason that you think it will do poorly is number 2 and has nothing to do with number 1.

I think the 3DS will do very well regardless, for Angrist's reasons. Unless the 3D film screen makes playing 2D games suck and Nintendo changes everything else about the DS, then really it's just an added bonus, which doesn't hurt anything.

Typhoid · 03-26-2010, 06:58 PM

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yes, Cameron invented or had invented a lot of the stuff to make the visuals in his movie as amazing as they were, but it's still 3D...

Avatar was to 3D what current movies are to silent films.

Typhoid · 03-26-2010, 07:04 PM

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The 3DS will do poorly in sales because the consumer is not yet ready for 3D. I submit that this is false for the reasons given, namely the humongous success of Avatar.

Avatar was 3 hour 20 dollar movie.
The 3DS is a handheld game system with a screen smaller than your hand.

I don't know what you're not getting about the fact that the 3D illusion is ruined when you look off screen. 3D in any movie is shit when you're looking at things not in 3D.

Being that the screen is so small, the real world will always be in your peripheral vision, unless you're jamming your face against the screen.

I wasn't saying people aren't ready for 3D as a whole. 3D has been around for 20+ years.
I said 3D hasn't been tested in consoles or handhelds, so nobody including myself can definitively say it will or will not work. Which is why I'm stating opinions which you feel have to be needlessly argued with.

3D is tacky. It's a fad.
The reason Avatar sold well was because it wasn't standard 3D, it was like 3Dplus, not to mention it meshed real visuals with CGI seemlessly.
It didn't sell well because of 3D.
3D being viewed as successful is a by-product of Avatar releasing it in 3D.
If they didn't do it in 3D, and just had the human/CGI mesh, would you say that the next handheld should combine CGI and real life characters? Why not focus on that, instead.

manasecret · 03-26-2010, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Typhoid

Avatar was 3 hour 20 dollar movie.
The 3DS is a handheld game system with a screen smaller than your hand.

I don't know what you're not getting about the fact that the 3D illusion is ruined when you look off screen. 3D in any movie is shit when you're looking at things not in 3D.

Being that the screen is so small, the real world will always be in your peripheral vision, unless you're jamming your face against the screen.

I wasn't saying people aren't ready for 3D as a whole. 3D has been around for 20+ years.
I said 3D hasn't been tested in consoles or handhelds, so nobody including myself can definitively say it will or will not work. Which is why I'm stating opinions which you feel have to be needlessly argued with.

I'm not arguing your opinion on the matter. I'm arguing about sales. Which you still are dodging the issue on, I think. As for "needlessly arguing", well yeah, this is all in fun, I'm just having a bit of a fun (IMO) discussion.

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3D is tacky. It's a fad.
The reason Avatar sold well was because it wasn't standard 3D, it was like 3Dplus, not to mention it meshed real visuals with CGI seemlessly.
It didn't sell well because of 3D.
3D being viewed as successful is a by-product of Avatar releasing it in 3D.
If they didn't do it in 3D, and just had the human/CGI mesh, would you say that the next handheld should combine CGI and real life characters? Why not focus on that, instead.

Well, I agree with that, but I think our terminology is differing. I would say movies in 3D before Avatar, broadly speaking, were a fad. Avatar, in my opinion, is 3D. Anything else shouldn't be considered so.

(I am probably overstating that a bit, because Avatar is actually the only movie I've seen in 3D, though I've seen some clips of crappy versions of 3D in 3D.)

But, in my opinion, that doesn't mean Avatar's combination of CGI and real life characters is the only 3D worthy of the name 3D. I would consider any film that is filmed in 3D and meant for 3D, as worthy of the name 3D. The Dragon movie probably being one of them.

So, real 3D is not a fad, in my opinion. It is here to stay.

Typhoid · 03-26-2010, 10:00 PM

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Which you still are dodging the issue on, I think.

I was never talking about sales, and I rarely ever comment on sales.
Especially future sales.
Nobody can comment on how it well sell.
It hasn't sold yet.

manasecret · 03-31-2010, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Typhoid

I was never talking about sales, and I rarely ever comment on sales.
Especially future sales.
Nobody can comment on how it well sell.
It hasn't sold yet.

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Originally Posted by typhoid

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I don't think I caught this before, so I think I misunderstood you. You're talking sales, then. I think you're saying, the 3DS won't sell well until consumers get used to the idea, namely with consoles first.

That is 100% what I was getting at.

Say what?

And saying nobody can comment on how it will sell is kinda silly. Is that a joke? I already did comment. Lots of people comment on future sales all the time. It's like the main argument of all console warz.

So basically, going back to your first comment, you were trolling, and then you used a bunch of circular logic to make it seem like you weren't. That is pretty much my conclusion. If you disagree, well, that's fine because it's just my opinion.

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Man you've convinced me about How to Train your Dragon...I just sent a text to my girlfriend trying to talk her into going tonight to see it in 3D.

Did you end up seeing it?

Typhoid · 03-31-2010, 04:07 PM

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Say what?

I mean specific figures when I refer to "sales" opposed to something 'selling'.
Blame the painkillers.
I don't consider saying "I don't think it will sell because ___" talking about sales, I've always viewed talking about sales as specific figures and all that jargon.

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And saying nobody can comment on how it will sell is kinda silly. Is that a joke?

Somewhat, it was. Because as I was saying it, I was commenting on it. But I also meant nobody can be sure how many units it will move because it's all just speculation.

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If you disagree, well, that's fine because it's just my opinion.

Now you're getting it.