Midterm Elections (Nov. 2)

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by Bond

I agree to the political implications. However, his comment was taken wayyy out of context.

I agree. He was describing a fear he has that we need to overcome as a society, and somehow that made him a bigot. Juan Williams... who made his name as part of the civil rights movement... fired for being a bigot. Really?

[Professor S]

What we learned:

1) A Tale of Two Tea Parties. Rubio and Paul win, O'Donnell and Angle lose. Having the "tea party" stamp next to your name does not guarantee victory. The American people are smart enough to see through labels and identify is an individual is a good candidate. Angle and O'Donnell were lousy candidates, and they lost. In the end, their defeat should send a message to the Republican party that they need to listen to.

2) Money does not win elections, an informed voter base does. Lots of money was spent during this election, and in many cases the biggest spenders lost handily. In the end people chose based on their principles, whether we agree with those principles or not.

3) California, the worst run state in the union, deserves everything that is happening to it. Jerry Brown? AGAIN? Really? Barbara Boxer? AGAIN? Really? The definition of insanity is to repeat the same action over and over again expecting a different result.

4) While FoxNews is biased, MSNBC is deluded. Liberals like to say that facts have a well known liberal bias. Well I think Olberman and Maddow prove that statement wrong last night. Their analysis was comical, and I watched it all night. They could not bring themselves to make the admission that left leaning dems lost based on their record, and not simply because of advertising. Also, making the statement that the main reason why dems lost was due to advertising is essentially accusing voters of being mouth breathing retards who vote for the last person to run a commercial. Its offensive and condescending.

5) They still don't get it. If Harry Reid's post election speech is any indication, Democrats will be in trouble again in 2012. You do not take a historic beating like they did, and then pretend that you can continue to set the same tone afterward. Contrition will be the difference between Pres. Obama being another Bill Clinton, or if he falls down the same sorry path as Jimmy Carter.

[Jason1]

Originally Posted by Professor S

or if he falls down the same sorry path as Jimmy Carter.

Jimmy Carter did not fall down some sorry path, and im sick of people calling him a bad president. He was a great president. Just because he didnt get elected to a second term does not mean he was a bad president, and likewise getting elected to a second term does not mean you did a good job your first term, or were a good president.

This is of course never talked about, but Carter did not fire one shot, did not drop one bomb, did not launch one missile. He Normalized diplomatic relations with China for the first time in a long time, brought peace between Israel and Egypt.

Carter also cut Oil consumption in this country IN HALF. When Carter was elected the US was importing 8.6 million barrels of oil per day, which he cut down to 4.3 million barrels per day. Now, we are back at 11 million. Carter put Solar Panels in the White House, and Reagan of course took them down. I could list numerous humanitarian things he did and continues to do to this day, but I'll stop there.


President Obama has inherited a political polarization in this Country that is Unheard of. Republicans have said they will not give Obama support under any circumstances. Obama is doing a superb job under the ridiculous circumstances the Republicans have managed to cause.

I guess at the very least now that the Republicans control the house, they are partly responsible for whatever happens, so they cant be complete idiots anymore.

[Professor S]

Jimmy Carter: 11.3% unemployment, an oil crisis that crippled the nation (if that is the reduction in oil consumption you mention, it is nothing to brag about), unheard of inflation, a stagnant economy, and an expansion of Russian aggression. Let us not forget about his hostage debacle that went on for a year. But I'm sure all of that was somebody else's fault.

Almost all of his achievements were reversed; his presidency made irrelevant. Any way you shake it, either in policy choices or in lasting impact, Jimmy Carter is one of the greatest failures in presidential history.

As for Pres. Obama, time will tell. History has a way of objectively looking at controversial times. History has not been kind to Carter. It has been very kind to Clinton.

[TheGame]

Politics are pretty disturbing right now. Republicans were just in control and raped the country in the ass with no vasaline... then managed to turn around and blame all of the issues they created on Democrats (since they took control right after the residual issues started).

Dems, on the other hand, failed to take control of the situation they had in washington and chose to compromise with a party that wasn't willing to do so. So hardly any of the real issues were getting resolved, and they looked weak... which demoralized their base and caused them to lose all of these elections (deservingly so).

Will Obama win in 2012? Well, I can safely say that Dems base is demoralized and will likely not be as strong in voting as they were the first time... and maybe some will be so ignorant that they'll completly forget the fact that a republican run congress ran the country into the ground less then 5 years ago. The facts will come out sooner or later, and I highly doubt the Obama/Democratic congress did as bad as Bush. But we'll find out soon enough.

[Professor S]

An interesting take on Pres. Obama's post "shellacking" press conference:

Washington (CNN) -- As I walked into the East Room for President Obama's post-shellacking news conference, a colleague from another organization joked, "Get ready for 17 versions of the same question."

I laughed because his point was true, many of us in the White House press corps were about to ask Obama several versions of the same question: After losing more than 60 seats in the House and several in the Senate, did you really hear the message from voters?

In short, do you get it?

Before the press conference, there had been an expectation, even among some of Obama's Democratic allies on Capitol Hill I spoke to, that he would steal a page from former President Bill Clinton's 1994 playbook and try to show he hears the anger out there and is ready to make a midcourse correction.

Instead, as I sat there in the front row of the East Room, I could see that Obama just didn't want to go there.

Now, to be clear, that is his right. He's entitled to follow his own compass and doesn't have to mindlessly follow the Clinton script. Pundits are ridiculous to suggest otherwise.

But the point is this president finally had the public's attention yesterday, and he may have missed a golden opportunity to show the American people he's ready to make the necessary adjustments to connect with their concerns over the next two years.

I realize there are people in the blogosphere who will predictably slam White House reporters on this point, basically charging we're all mindless because we end up asking the same question over and over. But part of our job is pressing the president about the most important issues confronting the nation.

And if he doesn't answer it the first time, I hardly think we should just give up and move on to some other subject he would rather talk about. In fact, Obama himself acknowledged early in the news conference that he understands this part of our job.

That moment came after Ben Feller of the Associated Press stood up first and asked whether the results were a "fundamental rejection of your agenda," and Obama ducked it with a general explanation of his view on slow economic progress and said, vaguely, "I've got to do a better job, just like everybody else in Washington does."

So, Savannah Guthrie of NBC News followed up, "You don't seem to be reflecting or second-guessing any of the policy decisions you've made. ... If you're not reflecting on your policy agenda, is it possible voters can conclude you're still not getting it?"

Obama defended himself by saying that Feller's query "was just the first question, so we're going to have a few more here." That told me the president believed Guthrie and Feller had legitimate inquiries and he knew he would get several questions along these lines. So I thought he was signaling he would use this opportunity to lay out where he thinks he screwed up and what he plans to do to fix it.

But Obama basically spoke like someone who makes a mistake but doesn't directly apologize, instead saying something to the effect of "I'm sorry if you were offended."

Case in point: Obama said the decisions he made to save the economy were in an "emergency situation" and policies were "coming at folks fast and furious." But rather than saying that, in retrospect, some of it should have been scaled back, he said, "We thought it was necessary, but I'm sympathetic to folks who looked at it and said this is looking like potential overreach."

So it was not an overreach, but you're forgiven if you thought it was one.

To bring it back to the Clinton comparison, presented with the same question about foul-ups, 'ol Bubba would have bitten his lip and talked about the error of his ways and put forward his plan to make sure it doesn't happen again.

Now don't get me wrong, this president should not simply bite his lip or feign some sort of emotional connection. The pundits who were going on and on about Obama not "emoting enough" during the oil spill crisis were kind of ridiculous. Obama has to be who he is. If he's not a lip-biter, people just need to get over it.

But nearly two years into his presidency, he eventually is going to have to find a way to build his own emotional connection to voters on his own terms, or many Americans are going to simply believe that he doesn't ... well ... feel their pain.

Note how indirect Obama was when he was talking about the pain of the midterm results. He couldn't quite say that he was humbled; instead he said that in general "some [election nights] are exhilarating, some are humbling."

And when he acknowledged early in the presser that people are frustrated that economic progress is coming too slowly, he said, "As president, I take responsibility for that." But he didn't quite get specific about what he was responsible for messing up.

This is why, near the end of the news conference, I asked Obama about the illustration he used over and over on the campaign trail about how Republicans were on the sidelines "sipping on a Slurpee" while he was trying to pull the economy out of the proverbial ditch.

He was using humor to make a point, his claim that Democratic policies ("D" on the gear shift) were moving the country forward while Republican policies would put the country in, yes, reverse and they can't have the keys back because "they don't know how to drive."

But now that this message seems to have been rejected in more than 60 House districts across the country, I asked, isn't it possible that many Americans feel Obama's policies are going in reverse and thus "what specific changes will you make to your approach to try to fix that and better connect with the American people?"

He responded that "we're still digging our way out of a pretty big mess" and now voters clearly want both parties to "push some more to get the car on level ground."

But, I followed up, "You just reject that idea altogether, that your policies could be going in reverse?"

"Yes," said the president.

Obama's announcement on Thursday that he wants to have a summit at the White House later this month with Republicans -- he laughed about a possible "Slurpee Summit" in a light moment at the news conference after my question -- may give him a second chance to show he's serious about acknowledging he doesn't have all the answers and is ready to accept some changes.

The bottom line, though, is he sent a different message on Wednesday -- that this is a president who is confident in his abilities and strongly believes that over the long haul, his policies are going to work out. Fair enough.

But to continue the car analogy, the American people seemed to be saying Tuesday they may want someone else to at least share the steering wheel. So far, however, Obama's message seems to be that he's so sure of himself that it's still his way or the highway.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/11/...ex.html?hpt=C2

[Vampyr]

I think the problem with the American people is that we see whoever is in power at the time as having created the 13 trillion dollar deficit.

I predict that the next series of elections will follow the same path this one did: voting out whoever is in office. I have a bad feeling that even if our new Republican house does some great things, they won't get a lot of credit for it since they weren't able to completely flip the recession around.

People want to see sweeping change that balances the budget and pays off our debt. I don't think most people realize that there's not even enough money in the world right now to do that.

Also we have a lot of people like this, who tend to actually turn out and vote: