The DC 52

[Vampyr]

Friend of mine at work was telling me about this a few days ago...kind of crazy.

I'll probably get into Batman though.

[Professor S]

As long as they drop the multiverse concept I'll give well reviewed trades a try, but DC has burned a lot of bridges with me by creating universe where death and violence means less than nothing.

[BreakABone]

Originally Posted by Professor S

As long as they drop the multiverse concept I'll give well reviewed trades a try, but DC has burned a lot of bridges with me by creating universe where death and violence means less than nothing.

I'm not sure how that's much different than Marvel, who has openly admitted they use death as nothing more than a sales gimmick.

And plan on killing off characters, at least one per quarter.

At first thought that was a joke but in the last like 14 months, they've killed Nightcrawler, Human Torch and Spider-man. Seems like a fair schedule.

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by BreakABone

I'm not sure how that's much different than Marvel, who has openly admitted they use death as nothing more than a sales gimmick.

And plan on killing off characters, at least one per quarter.

At first thought that was a joke but in the last like 14 months, they've killed Nightcrawler, Human Torch and Spider-man. Seems like a fair schedule.

This is all true, and yet Marvel didn't manufacture a ridiculous multiverse to completely excuse the practice, and in fact, encourage it. At least Marvel writers have to think for 3 seconds to create a plausible story behind a dead character's return, and sometimes it turns out pretty good. EX. Morrison's Magneto resurrection.

In DC? "Oh, that was another universe/here is the new [INSERT NAME] from the other universe who is exactly like the dead one."

[BreakABone]

Originally Posted by Professor S

This is all true, and yet Marvel didn't manufacture a ridiculous multiverse to completely excuse the practice, and in fact, encourage it. At least Marvel writers have to think for 3 seconds to create a plausible story behind a dead character's return, and sometimes it turns out pretty good. EX. Morrison's Magneto resurrection.

In DC? "Oh, that was another universe/here is the new [INSERT NAME] from the other universe who is exactly like the dead one."

I'm curious when was the last time (or first time), DC has used that technique.

And someone shouldn't tell you about Nightcrawler's Return....

[Professor S]

I learned a long time ago not to discuss DC Comics or Nintendo with you, BaB, so lets just agree to disagree...

[Teuthida]

Both companies are guilty of making death meaningless. DC had Batman "die" last year where he actually just got sent back in time. Marvel, as Bab mentioned, killed off Cap, Human Torch, Ultimate Spidey, and Nightcrawler recently. Most of which were spoiled by releasing that info to the news organizations before the comics came out, pretty much ruining any emotional impact the reader might have had.

Cap is back, Nightcrawler is from an alternative universe (oh noes!), and Human Torch is returning soon. The Ultimate Universe is pretty good at keeping people dead for the most part. They actually create legacy characters in much the same way DC does.

Also the Multiverse ceased to exist from 1985 to 2005. And now it seems like they got rid of it again with the reboot. Well, except for the JSA who are WWII heroes. Believe that will be separate.

EDIT: I reviewed O.M.A.C. #1 for NOTR: http://nerdsontherocks.com/review-shooter-o-m-a-c-1

[BreakABone]

Originally Posted by Professor S

I learned a long time ago not to discuss DC Comics or Nintendo with you, BaB, so lets just agree to disagree...

It wasn't an argument, you made a point. I asked for evidence. You are backing down.