Religions

Teuthida · 12-01-2011, 05:24 PM

Ok, so to sum up. You attribute living as to being a gift from god. Nothing more then based on the examples the others gave? I mean, you actually are sort of correct about happiness. At least when it comes to wealth. There have been studies that winners of the lottery are back to their baseline happiness level a year later. But there are plenty of horribly painful diseases that make death a better option. Like what about babies who die shortly after death? Surely that wasn't a life worth living? Look up harlequin babies and tell me that was worth living through short as their lives are.

TheGame · 12-01-2011, 05:40 PM

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Ok, so to sum up. You attribute living as to being a gift from god. Nothing more then based on the examples the others gave? I mean, you actually are sort of correct about happiness. At least when it comes to wealth. There have been studies that winners of the lottery are back to their baseline happiness level a year later. But there are plenty of horribly painful diseases that make death a better option. Like what about babies who die shortly after death? Surely that wasn't a life worth living? Look up harlequin babies and tell me that was worth living through short as their lives are.

For you it wasn't worth it. For the baby, only the baby can judge that. For the parents/family, it could have served a purpose in their lives.

KillerGremlin · 12-01-2011, 05:45 PM

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For you it wasn't worth it. For the baby, only the baby can judge that. For the parents/family, it could have served a purpose in their lives.

Babies cannot make judgements.

But they can feel pain.

How would this conversation go down if we were talking about third trimester abortions, or drowning a baby in a bucket after birth like they do in China?

TheGame · 12-01-2011, 06:04 PM

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Babies cannot make judgements.

Yes they can.

KillerGremlin · 12-01-2011, 06:05 PM

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Yes they can.

I'm going to need you to elaborate....

Typhoid · 12-01-2011, 06:13 PM

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I'm going to need you to elaborate....

I believe 5 out of 7 babies advise you use Crest brand toothpaste.

TheGame · 12-01-2011, 06:22 PM

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I'm going to need you to elaborate....

They cannot make moral judgements because they haven't been exposed to society, but they can make judgements for themselves. Judgement: That's hot, that's cold.. That feels good, that's uncomfortable.. etc etc.

KillerGremlin · 12-01-2011, 07:25 PM

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They cannot make moral judgements because they haven't been exposed to society, but they can make judgements for themselves. Judgement: That's hot, that's cold.. That feels good, that's uncomfortable.. etc etc.

Those aren't judgements...not at that age. If you are interested in learning about early stages of development, there is no better place to start than....

GENE PARMESAN?!?!!???!!!

No...I'm just kidding. You want to read Jean Piaget.

Judgements are based on abstract thought. Until a child can understand the world and form abstract thoughts - the Concrete stage - they rely largely on reflexes and motor skills, and then eventually symbols. A baby may feel "cold" or "hot" or "pain" or "no pain," but they can abstractly conceptualize these things.

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Sensorimotor: (birth to about age 2)

During this stage, the child learns about himself and his environment through motor and reflex actions. Thought derives from sensation and movement. The child learns that he is separate from his environment and that aspects of his environment -- his parents or favorite toy -- continue to exist even though they may be outside the reach of his senses. Teaching for a child in this stage should be geared to the sensorimotor system. You can modify behavior by using the senses: a frown, a stern or soothing voice -- all serve as appropriate techniques.

Piaget's Cognitive stages: http://www2.honolulu.hawaii.edu/facd...tip/piaget.htm

Through evolution and early behavior cues, a child reacts negatively to something hot. Reflex...not abstract thought or judgement. Hell, you don't react to something that is hot because of judgement. The hot/cold reflex is one that sticks with you til you're old and dead.