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12-01-2011, 10:00 PM
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Thank you for the link. My only food for thought response would be to factor in the amount of civilian casualties and wars caused by Republicans vs. Democrats.
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I think wars are a muddier comparison because they can be considered just or unjust, while charity is simply a moral good. But using your new comparison, let's compare the casualties of the Iraq wars that were the responsibility of Republicans to the civilian casualties created in WWII and the Korean and the Vietnam Wars under Democrats... I don't think we actually have to pull up the numbers, do we? In WWII alone a Democrat authorized the use of nuclear weapons... twice. Want to compare the use of smart bombs with carpet bombing, fire bombing and napalm?
I happen to agree with the use of the weapons considering the times, but by your terms Democrats are the greatest offenders BY FAR.
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12-01-2011, 10:46 PM
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I think wars are a muddier comparison because they can be considered just or unjust, while charity is simply a moral good. But using your new comparison, let's compare the casualties of the Iraq wars that were the responsibility of Republicans to the civilian casualties created in WWII and the Korean and the Vietnam Wars under Democrats... I don't think we actually have to pull up the numbers, do we? In WWII alone a Democrat authorized the use of nuclear weapons... twice. Want to compare the use of smart bombs with carpet bombing, fire bombing and napalm?
I happen to agree with the use of the weapons considering the times, but by your terms Democrats are the greatest offenders BY FAR.
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My only response to that would be that World War 2 was a response to Nazi Germany and was more out of self-defense. Vietnam and the Korean War were both effed, so I can't disagree there.
The War on Iraq had some religious context, but I think deep down we all know that it wasn't really about religion. And Obama hasn't had any staunch opposition to messing with the Middle East, so boo on him. He seems just as pro-war as any Democracy-spreadin' American Politician.
So I respectfully appreciate that Republicans are more charitable than Democrats. Ideally I wish both parties would stay the hell away from religion.
Also, random tangent, but what the fuck? "Effed" is a word now? It's not coming up on my browser spell check...it's defined if you Google search for it, and it has a Wikipedia thingy:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effed
That's fucking awesome! I use "effed" in professional settings all the time.
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12-01-2011, 11:15 PM
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Is anyone here knowledgeable of history?
I've always wanted to ask: Did Hitler plan to win, or just stir up a whole lot of shit?
Was there any journals or documents recovered where Hitler stated a clear manifesto or something?
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12-02-2011, 08:27 AM
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Re: Religions
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Is anyone here knowledgeable of history?
I've always wanted to ask: Did Hitler plan to win, or just stir up a whole lot of shit?
Was there any journals or documents recovered where Hitler stated a clear manifesto or something?
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I'm not a historian by any stretch, but I can safely say Hitler was a true believer in his cause, and he absolutely intended to win. By the way, if he had listened to his generals he probably would have won. Engaging a war on 3 fronts is madness, and attacking Russia was the nail in the coffin even though, again, his military almost pulled it off even though Hitler was diverting supply trains to transport Jews for execution.
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12-09-2011, 11:22 PM
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Re: Religions
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Is anyone here knowledgeable of history?
I've always wanted to ask: Did Hitler plan to win, or just stir up a whole lot of shit?
Was there any journals or documents recovered where Hitler stated a clear manifesto or something?
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Look up Hitler's work with Albert Speer on Welthauptstadt Germania. Dude intended to win.
I tried to find a video for you, but all I found was Neo-Nazi propaganda. Here's a picture:

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12-02-2011, 08:22 AM
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My only response to that would be that World War 2 was a response to Nazi Germany and was more out of self-defense. Vietnam and the Korean War were both effed, so I can't disagree there.
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I agree that the reasons for entering WW2 were far less muddled than Vietnam or Korea, but the discussion was based on civilian casualties during the war and not the justification; military methods and not politics. WW2 methods were BRUTAL to civilians.
Again, the times considered and technology available, I'm not fully disagreeing with the methods used during WW2. Well, I have to disagree with the use of firebombing in Japan. The US targeted civilians in these campaigns, burning down most of the country in the process (most Japanese homes were made of wood at the time.) Firebombing was far more horrific than even the nuclear bombs.
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