It's official, Rare is now a Micorsoft First Party developer

[DeathsHand]

I've heard a number of people say that Conker was a very good game...

and that Jet Force Gemini is quite underrated... They made that, right?

I dunno...

Alls I know is, even if Rare's games don't come out too often, they normally do have at least a couple of great games on each system... N64 and SNES, that is...

And while some may argue that "that's not much" or something, it's at least something... Especially if they're like some of the BEST on the system (like 007 on N64)...

But yeah...

[Bond]

Originally posted by DarkMaster

amount of xboxs I will buy to enjoy Rare: 0

amount of xboxs I will buy to play other cool games: 1

That's a fairly biased statement considering Rare has not even announced one game for the Xbox console. You are predicting the future which we all know you can not do. Please wait until the game is released, and you actually are able to play the game to make a fair judgement. I'm not saying you won't, I'm saying it's a very premature statement. And in any case, Microsoft doesn't care about customers such as you, they are wanting to give the Xbox owners Rare.

i dont get how people say rare screwed nintendo fans. or MS screwed nintendo fans.

If nintendo goes out and says Here, take rare, we dont want them.

and MS says ok, we'll take them.


how is either MS or Rare screwing nintendo fans????

I think you hit the pin on the head there Null.

[Angrist]

I understand now that Rare owes much to Nintendo when it comes to making good games. And a lot of ppl have already left Rare. Like that news on Cube-Europe, the supervisor of GE and PD is working on a game for (at least) the GameCube.

It will be very interesting to see what Rare can do on the X-Box.

[Professor S]

Wow, I won't name names, but I think a LOT of people have put their bitter grumpypants on over this whole ordeal.

Rare on Nintendo: "GREATEST... DEVELOPER... EVER... All other consoles must bow DOWN to Nintendo for having the mighty Rare... MWAAAA HHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAAAA!!!!"

Rare on the XBox: "Rare SUXXORS11!!1!1!! They never release games on time, they haven't made any good games since Goldeneye (complete boldfaced LIE) and they are completely WORTHLESS!!!! ARRRRGGGHH!!!!"

[GameKinG]

But then you see it from the opposite perspective. XBox fanboys would say rare sucks, they are the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked...suck.

Then they are like: Whhha! Rare, Best news EVAR!!!!!!111

[Professor S]

Yes, the fanboy pendulum does swing both ways. I have always seen the value of Rare, even though Conker wasn't really my type of game. I'm not a big fan of platform heavy games.

But Goldeneye and PD? Yessssssssssss......

Plus Kameo looks really good from what I've seen. Nintendo still gets Star Fox, which will be a bigger seller than Mario Sunshine IMO.

[TheGame]

*shakes head*

How can you guys hate on Rare? They are Nintendo's best second party if not best developer. Check this out:

Rare's top 7 games (IGN Scores):
-Perfect Dark (9.8)
-Conker's Bad Fur Day (9.9)
-Goldeneye 007 (9.7)
-Banjo Kazooie (9.6)
-Banjo Tooie (9.4)
-Donkey Kong 64 (9.0)
-Blast Corps (9.0)

Total Score: 66.4

Nintendo's top 7 games (IGN Scores):
-Zelda: OoT (10.0)
-Zelda: MM (9.9)
-Mario 64 (9.8)
-Wave Race 64 (9.7)
-F-Zero X (9.1)
-Paper Mario (9.0)
-Star Fox 64 (8.7)

Total Score: 66.3

Scores don't prove anything, but still, Rare got better overall scores than Nintendo's enternal studios on N64... what does that say?

Plus, Only one game on Nintendo's list required/used the expansion pack, While 3 of Rare's required it and 4 used it. That should clear up why the game didn't sell so well. They risked sales for quality.

I'm not saying cry over the fact that they are gone, but please don't act like they are just the crappiest developer ever. According to scores they are just as good or better than Nintendo themselves.

[TheGame]

Originally posted by GameKinG
But then you see it from the opposite perspective. XBox fanboys would say rare sucks, they are the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked...suck.

Then they are like: Whhha! Rare, Best news EVAR!!!!!!111

Ummmm.... I have went to an Xbox site longer than I have been here at Gametavern and I have never seen them call Rare crap. In fact, they always had respect for Rare and N64's WWF games. Those were the only two things respected, anything else is uncivilized.

I have never seen a developer e turned on so fast at a forum.

[Crono]

Its all opinions, I dont like Rare, and thats me. I ve only owned 5 Rare games, 3 on SNES, 2 on N64...which one was a major dissapointment (DK64). SFA looks awesome, and since Kameo has not even been playable by IGN or anyone else, I wont judge it. But really though, IMO, this is in no way a major blow to Nintendo, with Sega and Capcom support (SOnic, RE, PSo, Monkey Ball etc.), and plus Namco developing an original SF shooter, Rare is not needed, Capcom, Sega, and Namco can come up with more good games than Rare ever could. even if they still were Nintnedo 2nd party, I doubt I would buy any of their games other than SFA, but then again, thats an opinion...some might say Rare is good others say no, but I will never see why this will hurt Nintendo in any way.

Also...IMO..HAL is Nintendo's best 2nd party...I mean like come on, SSBM, SSB, Kirby, Pokemon on GBC.... they didnt make many games compared to Rare, but the SSB games and the Pokemon RPG ones a FAR better than anything Rare can do IMO

[DarkMaster]

Originally posted by Bond
That's a fairly biased statement considering Rare has not even announced one game for the Xbox console. You are predicting the future which we all know you can not do. Please wait until the game is released, and you actually are able to play the game to make a fair judgement. I'm not saying you won't, I'm saying it's a very premature statement. And in any case, Microsoft doesn't care about customers such as you, they are wanting to give the Xbox owners Rare.

i'm not saying Rare wont make good games for xbox, i'm just saying that as of now i'm not going to buy an xbox just because MS bought Rare. Maybe i should have made that clearer before

[TheGame]

Originally posted by Crono
Also...IMO..HAL is Nintendo's best 2nd party...I mean like come on, SSBM, SSB, Kirby, Pokemon on GBC.... they didnt make many games compared to Rare, but the SSB games and the Pokemon RPG ones a FAR better than anything Rare can do IMO

If Nintendo were to lost HAL they would lose what???

First of all, Pokemon was made by Gamefreak (or whatever) an exclusive handheld developer. That leaves SSB and Kirby...

yep better than Rare all-around

Rare is Nintendo's best second party. They are the only ones wh stepped out on N64 and made somthing called origanal content. Hal can feed off of the Nintendo brand name games, but give them somthing origanal and I doubt they will do near as good as Rare. That's why I'm pretty sure Rare will succeed with MS.

[Bond]

Originally posted by Crono

Also...IMO..HAL is Nintendo's best 2nd party...I mean like come on, SSBM, SSB, Kirby, Pokemon on GBC.... they didnt make many games compared to Rare, but the SSB games and the Pokemon RPG ones a FAR better than anything Rare can do IMO

HAL made one good game, Super Smash Brothers, which used all Nintendo ideas and franchises, and then they made a sequel. That's it... not a whole lot.

[TheGame]

Originally posted by Bond
HAL made one good game, Super Smash Brothers, which used all Nintendo ideas and franchises, and then they made a sequel. That's it... not a whole lot.

Exactly... HAL is a nobody compared to Rare. Rare is innovative, Rare makes origanal content without stealing or using and Ideas from old Nintendo franchises.

[Angrist]

Hmm I could say 'Star Fox' here, but I know they didn't 'steal' it from Nintendo. But neither did HAL. Anyway that's not the topic.

I like Rare, they've made some super games. But now I'm starting to wonder how much of that was thanks to Nintendo. I mean, Shigeru Miyamoto is in most of the credits of Rare games (I think...)!! With Miyamoto, anyone can make good games! (ehm )

And Justin, how can you say that Rare is better than Nintendo?? So IGN rated the 7 best N64 Rare games better than the 7 best Nintendo games. You know that Nintendo has made a lot more games, plus the games on the GameBoys. And now on the Cube!! How can you say that Rare is better???

[Professor S]

He took the highest rated Nintendo games from Nintendo, and compared them to the same number of highest rated games from Rare. Rare came out on top, even if just by the smallest of margins Thats how. And its the only fair way to really compare the two using solely reviews.

Its unfair to take the total number of games into consideration while making the comparison because Nintendo has been making games for a lot longer than Rare.

For me, Rare makes games that appeal to me more, like Goldeneye and Perfect Dark. They tend to be a little edgier. I'm no longer a fan of the Nintendo franchises except for possibly Star Fox and Metroid.