Mania... best one I've ever seen

[Professor S]

Now that was a good post. You sounded like your average wrestling basher in your first one. Thanks for listing your reasons why you think the WWE sucks.

I have to agree with you on the HHH issue. The next time I go to a show I'm going to bring a sign that says "For God's Sake Lay Down!!!"

But I have to admit that the product has improved in several ways of late, but also has declined in several ways also.

Good: Cruiserweights, Angle's angle with Brock, McMahon back on TV, Jericho's angle with HBK, Upcoming Goldberg vs. Rock (well, its good in theory at least)

Bad: Cat Fight Girls, Coach, Cruiserweights not getting any time, Angle injured, anything with Batista, A-Train, Big Show, Undertaker or that sack of crap Nathan Jones.

Speaking of Nathan Jones... I really think the WWE needs to make sure that their wrestlers CAN ACTUALLY WORK A MATCH before debuting them on TV. Just a thought...

[NYGiant]

one thing you left out in the bad is Triple H with the title.I think they should reunite the titles and the Champion fights on both shows like before.But that won't happen.

[Professor S]

I forgot HHH? LOL!!! Maybe he was too obvious for me to remember.

BTW, if you hate the WWE but like wrestling, check out Ring of Honor. The link to their site is listed in my sig. You won't be dissappointed

Just ask Chris

[TheGame]

Bad: Cat Fight Girls, Coach, Cruiserweights not getting any time, Angle injured, anything with Batista, A-Train, Big Show, Undertaker or that sack of crap Nathan Jones.

Meh, I agree on A-Train, Big Show, and Nathan Jones... but I personally enjoy watching Undertaker.

I forgot HHH? LOL!!! Maybe he was too obvious for me to remember

I still can't understand why HHH is bashed so much...

[Professor S]

Game, it has been pointed more times than I care to recall on this forum why HHH is a disease. And if you can't see it for yourself after the Booker T match at Mania, then you never will.

HHH will not lay down when it matters. THATS why he gets bashed.

[TheGame]

Originally posted by The Strangler
HHH will not lay down when it matters. THATS why he gets bashed.

I don't feel that that is a good enough excuse... if it is, we should be bashing Austin and Goldberg just as much right now... and maybe even Hogan.

Yeah, Austin lost at WM, big deal, that's why his carrer almost ended because he didn't want to lose to Brock or Hall. Given the power that HHH posseses, most wrestlers would end up just like him... winning every match they feel in thier head it makes sense for them to win, and rarely ever losing.

[Professor S]

Originally posted by TheGame
I don't feel that that is a good enough excuse... if it is, we should be bashing Austin and Goldberg just as much right now... and maybe even Hogan.

And am I a fan of Goldberg and Hogan? No. As for Austin, he has dropped many matches in PPV's, interference not withstanding. Also, Austin has spent most of his career as a face. Its his JOB to win the title from guys like HHH. HHH is a heel... a HEEL. Its his job to make the faces look good and bring them heat. All he does is kill the heat of EVERY WRESTLER HE GOES UP AGAINST. Please name me the last time HHH dropped a title on a PPV.

Yeah, Austin lost at WM, big deal, that's why his carrer almost ended because he didn't want to lose to Brock or Hall. Given the power that HHH posseses, most wrestlers would end up just like him... winning every match they feel in thier head it makes sense for them to win, and rarely ever losing.

What "makes sense" to you is frustrating and boring to everyone else. His matches suck. No one really cares about them because he can barely work anymore and he NEVER LOSES. Why care about a match when you know who's going to win in the end?

The entire build up for wrestlemenia was perfect for Booker T to win the title. The crowd was READY for Booker T to win the title. They WANTED him to win the title. Any booker in their right mind would have put the title on him that night and crown a new champion that the fans have been begging for. What did we get? The same old thing from the same old HHH. Hell, he even made sure to wait a long time to cover Booker to make sure he sucked any heat that Booker may have had out of his dead carcass. Oh, and BTW, HHH's Ric Flair impersonation doesn't help him out either.

Its almost as if HHH's job is to kill all up and coming talent in the WWE. The gets paired up against all the rising stars and newcomers (Jericho, RVD, Booker T, Steiner (ok, he sucks but still...), "name your superstar here") and squashes them, and then watches as they filter back down to the mid card.

I sat in my livingroom during wrestlemania and waited for Booker T to win. Finally HHH was going to do what was right for the business. All the signs were there and the timing was perfect.

What I got was a feeling that nothing is ever going to change at the top of the card. And we wonder why business is down.

[TheGame]

I agree with you on WM at least... I think it was just HHH's time to give it up... But I guess if they are building up a proper Heel to feud with Goldberg, I guess HHH did need to win that match.

As for Austin, he has dropped many matches in PPV's, interference not withstanding. Also, Austin has spent most of his career as a face. Its his JOB to win the title from guys like HHH. HHH is a heel... a HEEL. Its his job to make the faces look good and bring them heat. All he does is kill the heat of EVERY WRESTLER HE GOES UP AGAINST. Please name me the last time HHH dropped a title on a PPV.

Well, HHH lost to Vince, Big Show, The Rock, Hogan, and HBK... as for dropping major titles (WWF, WWE, World)... and the last time was HBK and a few months earlier Hogan.

The entire build up for wrestlemenia was perfect for Booker T to win the title. The crowd was READY for Booker T to win the title. They WANTED him to win the title. Any booker in their right mind would have put the title on him that night and crown a new champion that the fans have been begging for. What did we get? The same old thing from the same old HHH. Hell, he even made sure to wait a long time to cover Booker to make sure he sucked any heat that Booker may have had out of his dead carcass. Oh, and BTW, HHH's Ric Flair impersonation doesn't help him out either.

lol... I hate Ric Flair.

As for the slow pin, that did kinda suck, but at the same time Flair was cheating the WHOLE match. By no means can that be considerd a fair victory. HHH, as a heel, doesn't look like he was supposed to win that match, because there was more than enough cheating.

Its almost as if HHH's job is to kill all up and coming talent in the WWE. The gets paired up against all the rising stars and newcomers (Jericho, RVD, Booker T, Steiner (ok, he sucks but still...), "name your superstar here") and squashes them, and then watches as they filter back down to the mid card.

nah, it's not HHH's job to kill them, it's thier job to make HHH look good

I sat in my livingroom during wrestlemania and waited for Booker T to win. Finally HHH was going to do what was right for the business. All the signs were there and the timing was perfect.

What I got was a feeling that nothing is ever going to change at the top of the card. And we wonder why business is down.

That wasn't really a top of the card match... that's why I had feelings right before the match that Booker may just lose... If it were the main event or at least in the top two matches of the show, then I would have expected more of a fan pleasing ending.

I mean, when you really take a hard look at HHH's belt, what does it even mean right now? When is the last time HHH's match was even made to be the main event? Rock and Austin may have lost the belt more times, but they at least lost in a big main event like fashon. What was the HHH match? Not even in the top four.

[Professor S]

I have a hard time comprehending your excuses for HHH's behavior. The majority of the losses that you refrerenced were before HHH's injury. I will agree HHH was one of the best in the biz before he tore his quad. Now? Doubtful. As for putting over HBK... now you're stretching. HBK is one of HHH's best friends plus HBK is a part timer at the end of his career with no chance of taking HHH's spot.

As for Fllair's interference, it was minimal. He basically tried to yell at the ref and push Booker T a couple of times. If you want to keep Booker's heat, Flair brains him with a chair.

Not top of the card??? HHH has a WORLD TITLE! Let me repeat that... a WORLD TITLE. Thats top of the card. Also, the value of the belt is a direct reflection fo the value of the wrestler in the fan's eyes, IMO.

Laugh all you want, but HHH's backstage shananigans are slowly killing the WWE's talent pool, which is weak enough as it is with the roster split. HHH should be helping to elevate talent, much like the great Mick Foley did to elevate HHH, instead of seemingly doing everything in his power to bury younger talent.

[TheGame]

Originally posted by The Strangler
I have a hard time comprehending your excuses for HHH's behavior. The majority of the losses that you refrerenced were before HHH's injury. I will agree HHH was one of the best in the biz before he tore his quad. Now? Doubtful. As for putting over HBK... now you're stretching. HBK is one of HHH's best friends plus HBK is a part timer at the end of his career with no chance of taking HHH's spot.

You had a hard time because I wasn't making excuses...

As for Fllair's interference, it was minimal. He basically tried to yell at the ref and push Booker T a couple of times. If you want to keep Booker's heat, Flair brains him with a chair.

Didn't Flair crack him early in the match? and also, I remember flair breaking up some pins by putting HHH's leg on the ropes. I may have it confused with another match (seriously, I have been seeing too much wrestling in the last 10 days)

Not top of the card??? HHH has a WORLD TITLE! Let me repeat that... a WORLD TITLE. Thats top of the card. Also, the value of the belt is a direct reflection fo the value of the wrestler in the fan's eyes, IMO.

I think the belt's value is reflected by not only who has the belt and who he is defending it against, it's also based off of how much the WWE is willing to promote the belt. HHH might as well be wearing the IC title right now, because for the last 6 months that belt has yet to see the lights of a main event.

Is that an excuse for HHH not giving it up? No... but it's defenently not the same as having the "real" WWE title. It's not the same, thus it won't be treated the same by HHH. Like I said before, Austin and Rock have lost before, but it wouldn't be in the same low fashon as HHH because they were in the main event.

Also take into account that HHH has control over the story to some extent... he feels that he is bigger than the World Title, because the world title isn't being promoted as being the "real" top of the industry. If it were promoted like it was the absolute biggest prize there is in the WWE, methinks HHH would lose a lot more often... but in todays Split up WWE that just isn't true anymore... now that belt is about equal to the IC Belt back in the day.

[Professor S]

And the reason why those HHH is defending the title against AREN'T elevating the belt, is because HHH isn't elevating those he is defending it against.

But ok, fine... you're right and the rest of the wrestling world, including those WORKING in the WWE right now are wrong. Its obvious you won't listen to reason on this issue. Seriously, I understand being a mark for a wrestler, but when you start deluding yourself to the obvious is when you should separate yourself and look at the situation for what it is.

[nWoCHRISnWo]

Originally posted by The Strangler
BTW, if you hate the WWE but like wrestling, check out Ring of Honor. The link to their site is listed in my sig. You won't be dissappointed

Just ask Chris

You owe it to yourself to watch some ROH.

Originally posted by TheGame
Meh, I agree on A-Train, Big Show, and Nathan Jones... but I personally enjoy watching Undertaker.

I agree somewhat, I can see how someone would like to watch 'Taker, but the other three just suck. Unless they have Big Show doing a comedy routine, he's pretty funny and it's better than a Big Show match.

I still can't understand why HHH is bashed so much...

Well he hasn't had a great match in years, he has been in HORRIBLE feuds for a long time now (Katie Vick, Steiner, etc.), he never EVER puts anyone over (see Wrestlemania), whoever he does feud with ends up being in midcard hell (Kane, RVD, Steiner, Jericho but he recovered because he kicks ass), he gets more time than anyone else does on the mic usually, and it's always boring as hell.

I don't feel that that is a good enough excuse... if it is, we should be bashing Austin and Goldberg just as much right now... and maybe even Hogan.

Most internet wrestling fans DO hate Austin, Goldberg, and Hogan. There's a big difference however... Austin has EARNED whatever he gets in my eyes. He MADE himself, nobody did **** for him and he turned himself into the biggest star in wrestling. He made WWF millions upon millions. Hogan is like Austin in that they were the two biggest draws ever. Goldberg is a piece of **** and I hold him in the same regard as Triple H, but worse. If Triple H turned business around for WWE, then it'd be a little different at least, but as it stands he's not drawing **** and has no business doing what he's doing.

lol... I hate Ric Flair.

I hate you. I will assume you haven't seen much/any of Flair from 88/89, or anytime pretty much '95 or so.

[Joeiss]

Goldberg was cool until he kicked Bret Hart in the head.

[Professor S]

Goldberg is a 6'5" 280 lb sack of suck. You could take any big man, even Bill DeMotte who was Bill's first victim (talk about double meanings), and give him the push that they gave Goldberg and you'd have the same result.

He couldn't sell a bag of hundreds for 5 cents.

[TheGame]

Originally posted by nWoCHRISnWo
I hate you. I will assume you haven't seen much/any of Flair from 88/89, or anytime pretty much '95 or so.

Your assumption is correct

My first encounter with Flair was in the WCW when he came back and wanted to be presendent... the fans were all on his sack, and me, being the big Hogan fan, hated him. (Not to mention when he got the power he turned into a huge heel)

I have never found a reason to like him... ever.