Updated Console Worldwide Sales Numbers

[bobcat]

Originally Posted by Jonbo298

I could tell he was being sarcastic. And I thought it was pretty good. Gotta give some rep just because I feel like it.

What about Joeiss? Does he get any rep?

[Jonbo298]

Originally Posted by bobcat

What about Joeiss? Does he get any rep?

*Looks hard to find where Joeiss replied* Looks like I don't see one. Plus, it must be funny in some way.

[Joeiss]

I believe bobcat was referring to my past sarcastic replies in other threads!


Dumbass. <----- sarcasm

[TheGame]

nice one Stu...

Anyway, I think GCN and Xbox are both getting thier asses handed to them, so it doesn't matter who is in second place

I have noticed more and more people getting Xbox's lately, did it have any type of sales jump in the last 3 months?

[Shadow Fox]

I can't help but think EGM is totally wrong on this info. They list no sources whatsoever, and, (being a post-E3 issue), this basically says that Nintendo lied, and that they haven't sold well over 10 million cubes by now, with Xbox at 9.

Now, I for one (knowing MS's aggressive PR) NEVER heard a peep of MS claiming otherwise, even at E3 after NCL threw their "we're number 2" chants. Ed Fries WOULD NOT let this carry on if it were false, IMO.

Plus, Nintendo announced that it sold 9.5 million (when they reported the console was just 500k shy of their goal), way back in March.

Please tell me how Nintendo lost 100k units globally, and how MS gained 5 million Xbox sales in two months (MS claimed 8.3 million in March).

Relevant links:

Nintendo's numbers
Microsoft's numbers (fiscal failure)
Microsoft's numbers

Please think about this; I've already contacted EGM about this potential error.

-Official Ninja of [coming soon]...

[Xantar]

Hopefully, this isn't another instance of sales being counted only for the fiscal year for Nintendo but being counted for the entire console lifespan for Microsoft as was done with the Bloomberg numbers a while ago. I still don't know how or why that happened unless some Bloomberg analyst has a vendetta against Nintendo.

I don't think that's what happened here, but it's something to keep in mind.

[Dyne]

Originally Posted by Shadow Fox

I can't help but think EGM is totally wrong on this info. They list no sources whatsoever, and, (being a post-E3 issue), this basically says that Nintendo lied, and that they haven't sold well over 10 million cubes by now, with Xbox at 9.

Now, I for one (knowing MS's aggressive PR) NEVER heard a peep of MS claiming otherwise, even at E3 after NCL threw their "we're number 2" chants. Ed Fries WOULD NOT let this carry on if it were false, IMO.

Plus, Nintendo announced that it sold 9.5 million (when they reported the console was just 500k shy of their goal), way back in March.

Please tell me how Nintendo lost 100k units globally, and how MS gained 5 million Xbox sales in two months (MS claimed 8.3 million in March).

Relevant links:

Nintendo's numbers
Microsoft's numbers (fiscal failure)
Microsoft's numbers

Please think about this; I've already contacted EGM about this potential error.

-Official Ninja of [coming soon]...

http://www.gametavern.net/forums/sho...?threadid=5189

I don't see it either, were there any big-budget titles this year? Not really... Brute Force, RCTW, uhh, DOAX? Did DOAX sell two or three million on DOAX? Meanwhile, Gamecube sales were sloppy because of Zelda?

I smell BS. **** EGM for controversy, that's exactly why I never read them.

[Bond]

Hold on here Dyne.

When Mr. Heyyoudvd says GameCube is beating Xbox in worldwide sales numbers you say:

"AHA BOND! YOOOUUU LOOOSSEE!!! I TOLD YOU GCN WAS SECOND WORDLWIDE.

"

But when EGM says Xbox is beating GameCube in worldside sales numbers you say:

"I smell BS. **** EGM for controversy, that's exactly why I never read them."

Personally, I think it is impossible to gage worldwide sales of anything. So I will patentily wait until the generation is over and see. But I would believe EGM over Mr. Heyyoudvd.

[Stonecutter]

Originally Posted by Shadow Fox

Plus, Nintendo announced that it sold 9.5 million (when they reported the console was just 500k shy of their goal), way back in March.

Can't you dumbasses read?

Or are you just afraid to admit that the cube is in 3rd?


As was posted in bond's innitial post.

And as I pointed out in my previous post.


THESE NUMBERS ARE FROM MARCH!

Yes 9.5 (9.4, nintendo might have just rounded up) IN MARCH!

[Shadow Fox]

Gotta love the advantages of meddling with .php to avoid otherwise annoying posts...

Originally Posted by Stonecutter

THESE NUMBERS ARE FROM MARCH!

Yes 9.5 (9.4, nintendo might have just rounded up) IN MARCH!

Yes, those numbers are from March, and we are well aware that Nintendo has sold their 11 millionth console by now.

My question to you (and Bond, and EGM) is, where the hell is this 13 million number coming from for Xbox? Every site I've seen regarding this has been saying 8 million plus, IN MARCH:

"As of early March Microsoft said it had shipped more than 8 million units worldwide since its launch in the autumn of 2001."

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/030410/80/dxi5p.html

"Friedman, Billings, Ramsey analyst Eric Rothdeutsch said in a report that Microsoft's Xbox sales are a disappointment. Microsoft has sold about 8 million Xbox consoles since the system's introduction in November 2001, and about 1 million units will ship through the end of June, he said."

http://rss.com.com/2100-1006-983593.html

"Microsoft projects that by the end of June, it will have sold 9 million Xbox consoles worldwide since the November 2001 launch."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/...in553697.shtml

I've seen not one single shred of proof that Xbox has indeed sold 13 million consoles. And interestingly enough, the cited links here relate to Xbox's 9 million projection as if it hadn't sold that much yet, all dating from April, to even late May. If the console is still "expecting" to sell 9 million in June via a MAY report, how did it sell 13 million in March? Enlighten me here; preferably with a valid link or two.

Originally Posted by the strangler

As for the debate, I don't know numbers but I do pay attention to the world around me and I just see the XBox pulling ahead if just in public opinion.

Stangler, all regions are not the same (like the UK, where Xbox needed EXTREME pricecuts to even compete with Nintendo in the latter half of 2k2, or Japan, where the Panasonic Q is outselling Xbox). Just because in ONE region Xbox "appears" more popular, doesn't guarantee or even give a hint as to what the actual numbers are.

There is more than just the US to account for here, and until data emerges, GCN is indeed leading Xbox worldwide by some million and a half units, as it has been for the past year or so.

P.S. Stonecutter, there's no need for flaming and namecalling. If you want to show your ignorance- fine; but if you actually want to get your point across, you'll need to act mature if you want a decent discussion.

-Official Ninja of [coming soon]...

[Stonecutter]

Originally Posted by Shadow Fox

I can't help but think EGM is totally wrong on this info. They list no sources whatsoever, and, (being a post-E3 issue), this basically says that Nintendo lied, and that they haven't sold well over 10 million cubes by now, with Xbox at 9.

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this basically says that Nintendo lied

NO IT DOESN'T

This says that nintendo sold 9.4 units through march. You want to dispute the 100,000 units fine. I don't care you win that one.

You are saying that EGM is calling Nintendo cooperate a bunch of liars, which it does not do.

It says that there are roughly 9 and one half million gamecubes sold worldwide through the end of march.

and that they haven't sold well over 10 million cubes by now

No one is disputing that fact. Not even EGM.

EGM is giving you the numbers from march. The xbox numbers may be wrong. The nintendo numbers are correct, give or take 100,000.

There's also this wonderful nugget.

Please tell me how Nintendo lost 100k units globally, and how MS gained 5 million Xbox sales in two months (MS claimed 8.3 million in March).

That alone proves you didn't read it. you thought that EGM was saying nintendo had 9.4 million in may and that it had lost 100,000 from march (because you know that the number was 9.5 in march) and that xbox which was at 8.3 million sold in march gained 5 million from march to may (two months.) You thought they meant May. They didn't.

You didn't read it.

[Stonecutter]

Interesting.

[Shadow Fox]

Originally Posted by Stonecutter

IT
DOESN'T
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DAMN
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Stop being so thick, and listen to what I'm saying. No one said EGM specifically stated Nintendo or MS was lying- the fact of what was announced at E3 (Nintendo being number 2) does.

NO IT DOESN'T

This says that nintendo sold 9.4 units through march. You want to dispute the 100,000 units fine. I don't care you win that one.

You are saying that EGM is calling Nintendo cooperate a bunch of liars, which it does not do.

It says that there are roughly 9 and one half million gamecubes sold worldwide through the end of march.

And I ASK YOU AGAIN (like I have since my first post in this thread)- how in the HELL can Nintendo claim #2 at 10-11 million units, then, if Xbox sold more in March, ACCORDING TO EGM?

Nintendo specifically stated "they are clearly number 2" globally at E3, only having sold 10-11 million. How is this so, if EGM claims they haven't passed MS's 13 million from 3 months ago?

Or, to make it clearer to you: Is 9.5 or 9.4 MORE than 13?

If not, then EGM's article directly contradicts Nintendo's words at E3. MS also did NOT deny "Nintendo being clearly number 2" globally at E3. Did you not see or hear about ANY of the keynotes other than Sony's?

That alone proves you didn't read it. you thought that EGM was saying nintendo had 9.4 million in may

No, I wasn't. Please READ my post, that SPECIFICALLY STATES I KNOW these numbers are "supposed" to be from March. What I "thought" was that EGM's "March" numbers are wrong, since there are later reports (from April to May, in the LINKS I gave a page ago (did you read them?), that state Xbox has having only EIGHT MILLION units globally in APRIL AND LATE MAY- a FAR CRY away from EGM's THIRTEEN in MARCH.

NINTENDO THEMSELVES (at their keynote) specifically said they had 10-11 million in MAY- NOT EGM. At the same time, they are claiming this to put them in a CLEAR #2 position globally. This also directly contradicts what EGM is saying (that Nintendo would have to surpass at least Xbox's 13 from March to be #2 globally). Understand?

Damn, Bond understood this off the rip; why can't you?

and that it had lost 100,000 from march (because you know that the number was 9.5 in march) and that xbox which was at 8.3 million sold in march gained 5 million from march to may (two months.) You thought they meant May. They didn't.

Did you read ANY of the links I gave in my first and second post here? They are links that prove MS sold 8.3 AFTER the time EGM claims (March), directly contradicting the article.

I am NOT thinking MS went from 8.3 in March to 13 in May, I'm thinking MS went from 13 in March to 8.3 in May, which is impossible if you look at what EGM's trying to say (13 in March) to what other sites say (8 in March, 8.3 in April, May), and MS themselves expecting to sell 9 millionth by June from a statement in May).

You didn't read it.

I read, reread, and reread the article, as I stated before, long before this thread was created. The article says MS sold 13 Million consoles in March, which is hogwash compared to what they're saying NOW (MS is selling LESS than 13 NOW).

This is obviously a typo; and I think you'll see why in the quote of your next post.

-Official Ninja of [coming soon]...

[Stonecutter]

You are so full of $hit it is coming out of your ears

I'm going to break this down real fine for everyone.

Originally Posted by Shadow Fox

Please tell me how Nintendo lost 100k units globally... in two months.

Of course nintendo could have gained 500k - 1.5 million from march to may. Had you have known that the numbers were from march, there would be no reason to make that statement. But because you just had to go and attack egm for DARING to suggest that your beloved nintendo just might be in third place you ran into the situation head long, you stupid fanboy.

Nowhere in your post did you recognize the fact that the numbers, in EGM, were from March.

You did not read that, and because you didn't you're a dumbass. That's is the only thing I've been trying to prove since I've started talking to you in this thread. I could really care less where the xbox stands in relation to the cube because I own both. But when cube fanboys, (or any fanboys) and going further than that dumbass cube fanboys, feel the need to spread your propaganda of the insecure around, you piss a lot of people off.

You also took far more offense (a lot) to my post than anyone else (none) which was completely unwarranted.


YOU DID NOT RECOGNIZE THE FACT THAT THOSE NUMBERS WERE FROM MARCH.

Plus, Nintendo announced that it sold 9.5 million (when they reported the console was just 500k shy of their goal), way back in March.

And I told you that those numbers were from march. You didn't know it at the time, but now you're twisting your original statement.

Maybe you would just admit that you didn't read the original post and that you were just being a total moronic fanboy, but chances are you won't.

Such is the nature of the fanboy, but you're also a dumbass, who doesn't know when he's beaten.

I look forward to watching you attempt to writhe your way out of this one.

Or, perhaps, like the cockroach who has been exposed to the light, you will scatter, back to your hole.

[Shadow Fox]

Originally Posted by Stonecutter

Of course nintendo could have gained 500k - 1.5 million from march to may. Had you have known that the numbers were from march, there would be no reason to make that statement. But because you just had to go and attack egm for DARING to suggest that your beloved nintendo just might be in third place you ran into the situation head long, you stupid fanboy.

Either your are VERY BAD at math, or you're just fine and dandy with looking completely moronic here.

You just quoted me for saying Nintendo lost 100k in 2 months, according to EGM. Then I guess you're right- Nintendo instead lost 100k in THE SAME DAY (since EGM claims 100k is missing at 9.4, while the LINKS I POSTED proved 9.5 million on the same day (3/31).

Nowhere in your post did you recognize the fact that the numbers, in EGM, were from March.

And I didn't have to, since that's a given. Didn't I TELL you I've read the article before this thread was created, and emailed EGM about it (both for Nintendo's numbers being 9.5 instead of 9.4 in March, as well as MS being 8.3 in March instead of 13)?

But anyways, I spoke on this lightly in my first post- you just didn't read it (or didn't want to, since it completely voids your entire attempts of denouncing me in any way).

That's what I said in my original post here. I suggest you read it AGAIN, instead of trying to ASSUME I misread ANYTHING, especially if you can't prove it.

You did not read that, and because you didn't you're a dumbass. That's is the only thing I've been trying to prove since I've started talking to you in this thread.

Read above; your "proving" is pointless, as I've read, and have known the numbers from EGM were from March (as I've stated countless times in this thread now). If you don't see them littered about, then good for you- you're officially blind.

I could really care less where the xbox stands in relation to the cube because I own both.

And since I care about the TRUTH being displayed (the numbers being VERY CONTRADICTORY), and owning PS2, GCN, and Xbox, that makes me worse somehow? I doubt it.

But when cube fanboys, (or any fanboys) and going further than that dumbass cube fanboys, feel the need to spread your propaganda of the insecure around, you piss a lot of people off.

Ladies and Gentlemen, the worst fanboy of all- the anti-logic fanboy...

And telling the truth is propaganda now? I've never seen "truth" and "propaganda" anywhere related in any thesaurus to-date, but I'm sure you'll come up with proof of that, right?

You also took far more offense (a lot) to my post than anyone else (none) which was completely unwarranted.

And this is your REAL point of your post; that someone busted your ass by telling the truth (and actually spoke on being called a "dumbass"), you feel that you have to mix it up with me, somehow.

Point being, EGM's numbers (even according to your pic you posted), ARE NOT from March (even though EGM stated so, which is a typo; also stated in my original post that you missread). I wasn't thinking MS went from 8.3 to 13 at any point in time, nor did I ever deem a mag that admits constant mistakes every issue's contents as the word of God. You are incorrect on these things, and if you want to be right, then find some proof.

I've posted countless amounts of proof (in the form of links) that MS and EGM's estimates are very contradictory to earlier and recent claims in terms of console sales. Surely you can do the same in a logical manner, instead of having a pissy attitude and whinning about how you THINK I missread something.

And I told you that those numbers were from march.

YOU didn't say anything to me before I made my first post, now did you? "March" is stated in my first post here, so how could you tell me anything, or think that I missread it if I posted it in the first damn place?

You didn't know it at the time, but now you're twisting your original statement.

Like I said, find some proof. My first post was talking about March (in my post saying that Nintendo's numbers were 9.5 in March, and NOT 9.4 like EGM claims). Stop being so damn thick and read for once.

Maybe you would just admit that you didn't read the original post

The original post was from Bond (since he started the thread), and not YOU. Your original post was a quote of Gekko, who was mentioning the same inconsistencies that I proved with links in EGM's "numbers". All you did then was say that we were "dumbasses" and "can't read", while you missread our posts in the first place, which was talking about Nintendo CLAIMING #2 back then in March, as well as at E3- directly contradicting 13 million for Xbox in that timespan, if it were true.

YOU were the one missreading in the first place here, not anyone else.

and that you were just being a total moronic fanboy, but chances are you won't.

Will you admit that you are idiotic for not seeing what Bond and everyone else here has noticed (i.e. Nintendo and MS's numbers are not accurate in the mag), and that I've posted ABOUT EGM's MARCH numbers (and their contradiction) in my FIRST POST in this thread?

Such is the nature of the fanboy, but you're also a dumbass, who doesn't know when he's beaten.

OH, so that's what fanboy means now...

OK, when if I'm indeed "the person who went against EGM's claims that you STILL don't comprehend, and therefore you try to ASSUME I missread something" then sure I'm a fanboy, if that's the current definition in your mind.

And if you also mean "guy that has owned and played on hundreds of different types of hardware over the years", then that would also be OK.

I look forward to watching you attempt to writhe your way out of this one.

Out of what? That I'm talking about what is right (even your OWN PIC disproves EGM's claims), or that you THINK I assumed something and can't prove it?

I'm afraid there's nothing to wiggle out of my friend. Now you on the other hand...

Or, perhaps, like the cockroach who has been exposed to the light, you will scatter, back to your hole.

Sounds like you need to learn when to use semicolons, but I'm just being picky for the hell of it now...

Oh dear, yet ANOTHER person assumes I'm a fanboy, just because I don't agree with him. Isn't this familiar Xantar and BaB??

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