Updated Console Worldwide Sales Numbers

[Stonecutter]

Originally Posted by Shadow Fox

Plus, Nintendo announced that it sold 9.5 million (when they reported the console was just 500k shy of their goal), way back in March.

Can't you dumbasses read?

Or are you just afraid to admit that the cube is in 3rd?


As was posted in bond's innitial post.

And as I pointed out in my previous post.


THESE NUMBERS ARE FROM MARCH!

Yes 9.5 (9.4, nintendo might have just rounded up) IN MARCH!

[Shadow Fox]

Gotta love the advantages of meddling with .php to avoid otherwise annoying posts...

Originally Posted by Stonecutter

THESE NUMBERS ARE FROM MARCH!

Yes 9.5 (9.4, nintendo might have just rounded up) IN MARCH!

Yes, those numbers are from March, and we are well aware that Nintendo has sold their 11 millionth console by now.

My question to you (and Bond, and EGM) is, where the hell is this 13 million number coming from for Xbox? Every site I've seen regarding this has been saying 8 million plus, IN MARCH:

"As of early March Microsoft said it had shipped more than 8 million units worldwide since its launch in the autumn of 2001."

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/030410/80/dxi5p.html

"Friedman, Billings, Ramsey analyst Eric Rothdeutsch said in a report that Microsoft's Xbox sales are a disappointment. Microsoft has sold about 8 million Xbox consoles since the system's introduction in November 2001, and about 1 million units will ship through the end of June, he said."

http://rss.com.com/2100-1006-983593.html

"Microsoft projects that by the end of June, it will have sold 9 million Xbox consoles worldwide since the November 2001 launch."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/...in553697.shtml

I've seen not one single shred of proof that Xbox has indeed sold 13 million consoles. And interestingly enough, the cited links here relate to Xbox's 9 million projection as if it hadn't sold that much yet, all dating from April, to even late May. If the console is still "expecting" to sell 9 million in June via a MAY report, how did it sell 13 million in March? Enlighten me here; preferably with a valid link or two.

Originally Posted by the strangler

As for the debate, I don't know numbers but I do pay attention to the world around me and I just see the XBox pulling ahead if just in public opinion.

Stangler, all regions are not the same (like the UK, where Xbox needed EXTREME pricecuts to even compete with Nintendo in the latter half of 2k2, or Japan, where the Panasonic Q is outselling Xbox). Just because in ONE region Xbox "appears" more popular, doesn't guarantee or even give a hint as to what the actual numbers are.

There is more than just the US to account for here, and until data emerges, GCN is indeed leading Xbox worldwide by some million and a half units, as it has been for the past year or so.

P.S. Stonecutter, there's no need for flaming and namecalling. If you want to show your ignorance- fine; but if you actually want to get your point across, you'll need to act mature if you want a decent discussion.

-Official Ninja of [coming soon]...

[Null]

Game hit it right on the nose....

Both GCN and Xbox are getting thier ass's handed to them.

Yet everyone here still argues about 2nd place. 2nd place might as well be grouped in a catagory along with 3rd called.... LOSING.

i mean. PS2 only came out a year sooner.... yet even GCN sales + Xbox sales dont even come close to competeing with PS2 Sales.

Argueing about who is 2nd is a pointless thing, neither company cares about being 2nd. its not #1 and thats all they notice.

[TheGame]

"I've seen not one single shred of proof that Xbox has indeed sold 13 million consoles."

That's the problem with these numbers, there isn't evidence to prove anything. Either you accept what they say, or you don't. Sales numbers can always be screwed wih, exagerated, fixed, or anything.

Nobody, including MS, Sony, and Nintendo, know exacty how many consoles they sold to this point... The only thing they can know for a fact is how many they shipped. Maybe the postd the shipped number as the sales or somthing who knows.

Argueing over how valid numbers are is kinda pointless... Looking at his home town, Strangler imagines that Xbox may be doing better, that's why he accepts them. You probably look at other charts and it doesn't add up, that's why you don't accept it.

Nobody is wrong here, you just chose to believe somhing different. Just like I chose to believe that there is no way to track every sale in every city, and on every web site in the whole world...

[Bond]

I can't tell you where EGM got these numbers. But I trust that EGM does not purposely make up numbers to piss off people. If this is a mistake then I'm sure they will correct it. But we'll see. It just seems as though whenever the GameCube is ahead no one questions it. But perhaps when then Xbox is ahead people doubt it. I understand this contradicts information released before. But who is to say this information isn't every bit as valid as the next?

I do trust EGM over IGN and Gamespot, but that is just my opinion. We shall see.

"Personally, I think it is impossible to gage worldwide sales of anything. So I will patentily wait until the generation is over and see."

[Xantar]

Originally Posted by Bond

It just seems as though whenever the GameCube is ahead no one questions it. But perhaps when then Xbox is ahead people doubt it. I understand this contradicts information released before. But who is to say this information isn't every bit as valid as the next?

So the majority of GameTavern members are Nintendo fans. Surely this isn't a surprise to you. And as Nintendo fans, they are naturally going to be more accepting of good news for the GameCube. Perhaps that's a bad thing, but what do you expect? The posters here are human. If bad news about the Xbox came out, you can't reasonably expect them to try dissecting that news with as much energy as they would attack bad news about the GameCube. It just doesn't work that way unless everybody becomes some sort of enlightened fan of every console equally.

Instead of complaining about a well known bias, why not just try to counteract it? So people raise arguments against these numbers. Argue that these people are wrong. That's what a forum is for. And if you can't make a solid counter-argument, then perhaps these people who are skeptical of EGM's numbers are right.

[TheGame]

[b]Instead of complaining about a well known bias, why not just try to counteract it? So people raise arguments against these numbers. Argue that these people are wrong. That's what a forum is for. And if you can't make a solid counter-argument, then perhaps these people who are skeptical of EGM's numbers are right.

lol... that's the problem, there is no arguement. Bond's case is "EGM said" and Shadow Fox's case is "Nintendo/Microsoft said" and my case is, EGM doesn't know, and Nintendo/MS doesn't know...

The only thing I would give Nintendo and MS the benifit of the doubt it is consoles shipped, but sales...hell no. Hell, I think Ps2's numbers may even be exagerated... I think all the numbers EGM posted are right, give or take 3 million sales. Just like I think MS and Nintendo's numbers may be in the leauge, give or take 3 million.

As far as I know they might as well be tied for 2nd place with no chance in hell of achieving first place.

[GameKinG]

Forget fanboy crap. These sales are wrong. Im not saying I know whats right, but this report is putting up a pretty much impossable scenario, especialy when you compare it to fiscal results. And Im pretty sure its illegal to lie on fiscal reports cause then you are misleading investors.

Anyways, these topics dont matter. At the end of the thread nobody is proven right, and those who think they have proven themseleves right are **** heads.

[Stonecutter]

Originally Posted by Shadow Fox

My question to you (and Bond, and EGM) is, where the hell is this 13 million number coming from for Xbox? Every site I've seen regarding this has been saying 8 million plus, IN MARCH:

Oh, so now that's your "question" now that you realize you made a mistake.

Let me remind you of your original STATEMENT

this basically says that Nintendo lied, and that they haven't sold well over 10 million cubes by now, with Xbox at 9.

NO, they DID NOT LIE. They said that nintendo had sold 9.5 million in march.

You also said.

Please tell me how Nintendo lost 100k units globally, and how MS gained 5 million Xbox sales in two months (MS claimed 8.3 million in March).

Not once.

NOT ONCE did I dispute the fact that the xbox numbers may be inaccurate.

ALMOST EVERYONE who mentioned the nintendo numbers said that "Nintendo had sold 9.5 through march" some people even said something to the effect of "You mean to tell me they haven't sold any cubes in the last three months"

These people (including yourself as is evident in the post of yours that I originally quoted) were ignorant to the fact that the numbers posted were from March.

Just because YOU DIDN'T READ THE POST WELL ENOUGH doesn't give you the right to change your point. In your original post you never acknowledged the fact that those numbers were from March.

P.S. Stonecutter, there's no need for flaming and namecalling. If you want to show your ignorance- fine; but if you actually want to get your point across, you'll need to act mature if you want a decent discussion.

-Official Ninja of [coming soon]...

You think I'm ignorant, fine you wouldn't be the first person on the internet to think that, you can try and be condescending, try and put me down. It doesn't bother me, I don't feel the need to go to any extremes to prove my intelligence to you or to anyone else on this board. The people on this board that know me don't need any further proof of my intelligence. You, on the other hand, ran headfirst into your post without reading the other posts. That is something which is markedly, and undeniably ignorant, and you, in your attempt to embarrass me, just proved your ignorance to the whole board.

Remember, you responded to me, which tells me I got my point across just fine.

Thanks for playing!

EDIT: SPELLING, so the ****ing vultures don't have any easy meat to go after.

[Shadow Fox]

Originally Posted by Stonecutter

Oh, so now that's your "question" now that you realize you made a mistake.

No mistakes here, but please, continue...

NO, they DID NOT LIE. They said that nintendo had sold 9.5 million in march.

Maybe you're not paying attention to my STATEMENT, which specificially stated Nintendo's claim of #2 (at only 10 million units) @ E3 (i.e. mere weeks ago)- which would be a LIE, or impossible if Microsoft indeed sold 13 million IN MARCH.

See that now? Good.

NOT ONCE did I dispute the fact that the xbox numbers may be inaccurate.

OK, then who said this:

"Or are you just afraid to admit that the cube is in 3rd?"

Why would I "admit" anything that isn't true right now?

ALMOST EVERYONE who mentioned the nintendo numbers said that "Nintendo had sold 9.5 through march" some people even said something to the effect of "You mean to tell me they haven't sold any cubes in the last three months"

These people (including yourself as is evident in the post of yours that I originally quoted) were ignorant to the fact that the numbers posted were from March.

What the hell are you on about?

First of all, I knew of this issue before the thread was created, since I do have the actual EGM with the "error" in question (recall Sonic Heroes on the cover, and other post-E3 garbage)- therefore I knew WHEN and WHAT month these numbers are from.

And I'll ask this question AGAIN, since you can't grasp it:

How in the HELL is Nintendo or Microsoft not LYING if Nintendo claimed number #2 at 10-11 million 3 weeks ago, but MS surpassed this 3 MONTHS ago?

Nintendo claiming #2 at E3 with 10-11 million compared to Xbox's 13 million +...

That add up to you? Hell no; and this is my point.

Either way, this "tidbit" in EGM is VERY contradictary to either Nintendo or MS's previous (and current) claims, and also has no substance (since no resource available, at least to me, lists 13 million in March).

Just because YOU DIDN'T READ THE POST WELL ENOUGH doesn't give you the right to change your point.

I'm saying the same thing I've been saying all along; read my first post again ("WELL ENOUGH", even), and you will see.

In your original post you never acknowledged the fact that those numbers were from March.

Oh my damn- did you read only bits of my post, or the whole thing? If you read the entirety, you wouldn't have missed this:

"Plus, Nintendo announced that it sold 9.5 million (when they reported the console was just 500k shy of their goal), way back in March."

Clearly pointing at the error in the 'zine (it lists 9.4 million instead, followed by 20 GBA linkup titles).

You are forgiven.

You think I'm ignorant

If you can't understand my point and read my post correctly this time, then that will no longer be a thought; that's for sure.

fine you wouldn't be the first person on the internet to think that

I wouldn't be the first person in this thread to think that, either.

you can try and be condescending, try and put me down.

Or, I can break it down to you Barney style, as I did above. If you don't understand then, you're making an effort to not know.

In other words, I'm not like you and your "dumbass" and "can't read" remarks...and I'm condescending? Practice what you preach, sc.

It doesn't bother me, I don't feel the need to go to any extremes to prove my intelligence to you or to anyone else on this board.

I believe you; the aimless rant quoted here proves just that...

You, on the other hand, ran headfirst into your post without reading the other posts.

Thank you SO MUCH for ASSUMING so much, without:

A. Actually being in the same room as me to see that I actually DID read the entire thread before posting

B. Seeing me do a quick reply or quote without thinking

But since you declared that as FACT, with no shred of proof, that means what exactly?

That is something which is markedly, and undeniably ignorant, and you, in your attempt to embarrass me, just proved your ignorance to the whole board.

Looking at your assumption that I "didn't know about when the numbers were from", I'd love to think otherwise. Funny how message boards and opinons work, eh?

Remember, you responded to me, which tells me I got my point across just fine.

The sad part is, even though I understand now that you somehow mistook me as a "dumbass" who "can't read" since you THOUGHT I didn't know the numbers were from March (which is what makes them false in the first place, btw), I still saw no real point here. Are you, or are you not saying 13 million is real? Are you agreeing that the numbers were 13 in March (since I can't "admit GC is in 3rd"), meaning that Nintendo is lying about being in second, just weeks ago at E3 with lower than that supposed number of sales?

Or are you saying that somehow, magically even, MS sold 13 million in March, subtracted 5 million, and reissued a statement saying they are looking forward to their 9-10 millionth unit three months later?

Or even better, Nintendo with 10-11 right now, is claiming #2 globally though MS must have 14-15 million now since they sold 13 three months ago. Do you agree here that Nintendo isn't lying then, if they claim #2 with 10-11 million right NOW, if Xbox did 2 million better three months ago?

Thanks for playing!

Maybe you're the only one "playing here". Or perhaps you're a gameshow host of some kind?

Read my post and my point again. It's all good folk.

-Official Ninja of [coming soon]...