Updated Console Worldwide Sales Numbers - Page 2

TheGame · 06-24-2003, 02:55 PM

nice one Stu...

Anyway, I think GCN and Xbox are both getting thier asses handed to them, so it doesn't matter who is in second place

I have noticed more and more people getting Xbox's lately, did it have any type of sales jump in the last 3 months?

Shadow Fox · 06-26-2003, 01:19 PM

I can't help but think EGM is totally wrong on this info. They list no sources whatsoever, and, (being a post-E3 issue), this basically says that Nintendo lied, and that they haven't sold well over 10 million cubes by now, with Xbox at 9.

Now, I for one (knowing MS's aggressive PR) NEVER heard a peep of MS claiming otherwise, even at E3 after NCL threw their "we're number 2" chants. Ed Fries WOULD NOT let this carry on if it were false, IMO.

Plus, Nintendo announced that it sold 9.5 million (when they reported the console was just 500k shy of their goal), way back in March.

Please tell me how Nintendo lost 100k units globally, and how MS gained 5 million Xbox sales in two months (MS claimed 8.3 million in March).

Relevant links:

Nintendo's numbers
Microsoft's numbers (fiscal failure)
Microsoft's numbers

Please think about this; I've already contacted EGM about this potential error.

-Official Ninja of [coming soon]...

Xantar · 06-26-2003, 01:30 PM

Hopefully, this isn't another instance of sales being counted only for the fiscal year for Nintendo but being counted for the entire console lifespan for Microsoft as was done with the Bloomberg numbers a while ago. I still don't know how or why that happened unless some Bloomberg analyst has a vendetta against Nintendo.

I don't think that's what happened here, but it's something to keep in mind.

Dyne · 06-26-2003, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Shadow Fox

I can't help but think EGM is totally wrong on this info. They list no sources whatsoever, and, (being a post-E3 issue), this basically says that Nintendo lied, and that they haven't sold well over 10 million cubes by now, with Xbox at 9.

Now, I for one (knowing MS's aggressive PR) NEVER heard a peep of MS claiming otherwise, even at E3 after NCL threw their "we're number 2" chants. Ed Fries WOULD NOT let this carry on if it were false, IMO.

Plus, Nintendo announced that it sold 9.5 million (when they reported the console was just 500k shy of their goal), way back in March.

Please tell me how Nintendo lost 100k units globally, and how MS gained 5 million Xbox sales in two months (MS claimed 8.3 million in March).

Relevant links:

Nintendo's numbers
Microsoft's numbers (fiscal failure)
Microsoft's numbers

Please think about this; I've already contacted EGM about this potential error.

-Official Ninja of [coming soon]...

http://www.gametavern.net/forums/sho...?threadid=5189

I don't see it either, were there any big-budget titles this year? Not really... Brute Force, RCTW, uhh, DOAX? Did DOAX sell two or three million on DOAX? Meanwhile, Gamecube sales were sloppy because of Zelda?

I smell BS. **** EGM for controversy, that's exactly why I never read them.

Bond · 06-26-2003, 01:59 PM

Hold on here Dyne.

When Mr. Heyyoudvd says GameCube is beating Xbox in worldwide sales numbers you say:

"AHA BOND! YOOOUUU LOOOSSEE!!! I TOLD YOU GCN WAS SECOND WORDLWIDE.

"

But when EGM says Xbox is beating GameCube in worldside sales numbers you say:

"I smell BS. **** EGM for controversy, that's exactly why I never read them."

Personally, I think it is impossible to gage worldwide sales of anything. So I will patentily wait until the generation is over and see. But I would believe EGM over Mr. Heyyoudvd.

Dyne · 06-26-2003, 02:03 PM

So, I say, it's right, Gamecube is second! But when EGM says something drastically different a few months later, like along the lines of millions of consoles, and I explain myself that there's no real titles to sell for, I say, BULL****! I see, Zelda was released March 26th, correct? A few days to sell, and they posed a number at the end of that month. Now, can you tell me, did Nintendo honestly only sell .1 million consoles within the whole time? Zelda was still on the charts at that time.

Look, I'm not rooting for Gamecube, I'm not rooting for Xbox, I'm not rooting for PS2, I'm rooting for people to shut up about it.

TheGame · 06-26-2003, 02:28 PM

You seem to find reasons to defend GCN... but can't find any to defend Xbox. I'm not saying you are biased or anything, for all I know you could just be in the mood for it now, but not back then.

When Xbox is ahead you question the numbers, when GCN is ahead there are no questions asked.

I have to go with Bond on this one, sales for right now can always be disputed. We need to wait until the end of the generation and see what happens. For now only one thing is certain, Ps2 is owning.

PS, also, as a side topic, why do you think Zelda would have bumped up console sales? I mean, people who already own the system could be getting the game... and if a hardcore Zelda (Oot) fan hasn't got a cube by now, do you really think the childish Zelda looked appealing enough to sway them?

Professor S · 06-26-2003, 02:57 PM

IMO hardcore Zelda fans and hardcore Nintendo fans are one and the same. I really don't think Zelda pushed many consoles after its release because most Nintendo/Zelda fans would have already bought the system in anticipation of the release.

But thats just my opinion, I could be wrong...

As for the debate, I don't know numbers but I do pay attention to the world around me and I just see the XBox pulling ahead if just in public opinion. Its more mainstream and is referenced on popular TV and in the media more. I also think it is a lot more popuar in urban areas. We have an office in what could be considered an urban area (to be polite) of Philadelphia and all they talk about is XBox.

As for the increased mainstream media attention and how it affects you... I own a Gamecube and I haven't touched it since I rented Wind Waker. The XBox just draws my friends and I to it for some reason (possibly the better multiplayer games or just the sheer SIZE of it

)

Stonecutter · 06-26-2003, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Shadow Fox

Plus, Nintendo announced that it sold 9.5 million (when they reported the console was just 500k shy of their goal), way back in March.

Can't you dumbasses read?

Or are you just afraid to admit that the cube is in 3rd?

As was posted in bond's innitial post.

And as I pointed out in my previous post.

THESE NUMBERS ARE FROM MARCH!

Yes 9.5 (9.4, nintendo might have just rounded up) IN MARCH!

Shadow Fox · 06-26-2003, 09:06 PM

Gotta love the advantages of meddling with .php to avoid otherwise annoying posts...

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Originally Posted by Stonecutter

THESE NUMBERS ARE FROM MARCH!

Yes 9.5 (9.4, nintendo might have just rounded up) IN MARCH!

Yes, those numbers are from March, and we are well aware that Nintendo has sold their 11 millionth console by now.

My question to you (and Bond, and EGM) is, where the hell is this 13 million number coming from for Xbox? Every site I've seen regarding this has been saying 8 million plus, IN MARCH:

"As of early March Microsoft said it had shipped more than 8 million units worldwide since its launch in the autumn of 2001."

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/030410/80/dxi5p.html

"Friedman, Billings, Ramsey analyst Eric Rothdeutsch said in a report that Microsoft's Xbox sales are a disappointment. Microsoft has sold about 8 million Xbox consoles since the system's introduction in November 2001, and about 1 million units will ship through the end of June, he said."

http://rss.com.com/2100-1006-983593.html

"Microsoft projects that by the end of June, it will have sold 9 million Xbox consoles worldwide since the November 2001 launch."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/...in553697.shtml

I've seen not one single shred of proof that Xbox has indeed sold 13 million consoles. And interestingly enough, the cited links here relate to Xbox's 9 million projection as if it hadn't sold that much yet, all dating from April, to even late May. If the console is still "expecting" to sell 9 million in June via a MAY report, how did it sell 13 million in March? Enlighten me here; preferably with a valid link or two.

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Originally Posted by the strangler

As for the debate, I don't know numbers but I do pay attention to the world around me and I just see the XBox pulling ahead if just in public opinion.

Stangler, all regions are not the same (like the UK, where Xbox needed EXTREME pricecuts to even compete with Nintendo in the latter half of 2k2, or Japan, where the Panasonic Q is outselling Xbox). Just because in ONE region Xbox "appears" more popular, doesn't guarantee or even give a hint as to what the actual numbers are.

There is more than just the US to account for here, and until data emerges, GCN is indeed leading Xbox worldwide by some million and a half units, as it has been for the past year or so.

P.S. Stonecutter, there's no need for flaming and namecalling. If you want to show your ignorance- fine; but if you actually want to get your point across, you'll need to act mature if you want a decent discussion.

-Official Ninja of [coming soon]...

Null · 06-26-2003, 09:25 PM

Game hit it right on the nose....

Both GCN and Xbox are getting thier ass's handed to them.

Yet everyone here still argues about 2nd place. 2nd place might as well be grouped in a catagory along with 3rd called.... LOSING.

i mean. PS2 only came out a year sooner.... yet even GCN sales + Xbox sales dont even come close to competeing with PS2 Sales.

Argueing about who is 2nd is a pointless thing, neither company cares about being 2nd. its not #1 and thats all they notice.

TheGame · 06-26-2003, 09:27 PM

"I've seen not one single shred of proof that Xbox has indeed sold 13 million consoles."

That's the problem with these numbers, there isn't evidence to prove anything. Either you accept what they say, or you don't. Sales numbers can always be screwed wih, exagerated, fixed, or anything.

Nobody, including MS, Sony, and Nintendo, know exacty how many consoles they sold to this point... The only thing they can know for a fact is how many they shipped. Maybe the postd the shipped number as the sales or somthing who knows.

Argueing over how valid numbers are is kinda pointless... Looking at his home town, Strangler imagines that Xbox may be doing better, that's why he accepts them. You probably look at other charts and it doesn't add up, that's why you don't accept it.

Nobody is wrong here, you just chose to believe somhing different. Just like I chose to believe that there is no way to track every sale in every city, and on every web site in the whole world...

Bond · 06-26-2003, 09:28 PM

I can't tell you where EGM got these numbers. But I trust that EGM does not purposely make up numbers to piss off people. If this is a mistake then I'm sure they will correct it. But we'll see. It just seems as though whenever the GameCube is ahead no one questions it. But perhaps when then Xbox is ahead people doubt it. I understand this contradicts information released before. But who is to say this information isn't every bit as valid as the next?

I do trust EGM over IGN and Gamespot, but that is just my opinion. We shall see.

"Personally, I think it is impossible to gage worldwide sales of anything. So I will patentily wait until the generation is over and see."

Shadow Fox · 06-26-2003, 09:39 PM

Damn, Bond; you went from saying this:

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Originally Posted by Bond

I told you Xbox was number two worldwide, but no....

To quoting this:

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Originally Posted by Bond

"Personally, I think it is impossible to gage worldwide sales of anything. So I will patentily wait until the generation is over and see."

-Official Ninja of [coming soon]...

Xantar · 06-26-2003, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Bond

It just seems as though whenever the GameCube is ahead no one questions it. But perhaps when then Xbox is ahead people doubt it. I understand this contradicts information released before. But who is to say this information isn't every bit as valid as the next?

So the majority of GameTavern members are Nintendo fans. Surely this isn't a surprise to you. And as Nintendo fans, they are naturally going to be more accepting of good news for the GameCube. Perhaps that's a bad thing, but what do you expect? The posters here are human. If bad news about the Xbox came out, you can't reasonably expect them to try dissecting that news with as much energy as they would attack bad news about the GameCube. It just doesn't work that way unless everybody becomes some sort of enlightened fan of every console equally.

Instead of complaining about a well known bias, why not just try to counteract it? So people raise arguments against these numbers. Argue that these people are wrong. That's what a forum is for. And if you can't make a solid counter-argument, then perhaps these people who are skeptical of EGM's numbers are right.