Another great idea by the US government

[GiMpY-wAnNaBe]

Originally Posted by gekko

Only thing I'll admit is that it takes a hairbrained idiot to use Bush as a scapegoat for everything that goes on in the world.

no arguements here


now i don't blame him for everything that goes on in the world, i only blame him for stupid things that happen that hes "supposed" to have control over, for example when candadian troops were killed by american troops, he said it was a mistake, but never did apologize, even when it was brought to his attention. And if a war starts with Iran (such as CNN is suggesting) than i definately will blame Bush for that because blah! after whats just happened in Iraq, they wanna put Iran through the same thing. Hey, maybe their looking for "Nucular weapons" and not nuclear ones, maybe thats why they havent' found them, cuz they're gonna have a hell of a time explaining another war to the world

[gekko]

Originally Posted by GiMpY-wAnNaBe

no arguements here

LOL. You're strange

now i don't blame him for everything that goes on in the world, i only blame him for stupid things that happen that hes "supposed" to have control over

You would be surprised how much the President doesn't have control over. Thanks to the lovely system of checks and balances, the President doesn't always get his way, and they have little control in other large government agencies, like the CIA, FBI, and many things within the military. But the President plays scapegoat during his term, part of the job I guess.

when candadian troops were killed by american troops, he said it was a mistake, but never did apologize, even when it was brought to his attention.

That's because it was a mistake. This was such big news because it happened to Canadian troops, but friendly fire incidents happen all the time to American troops. Take a look at the numbers in Iraq, non-hostile casualties are at a disturbing rate. Friendly fire is part of war, it happens, but this time it happened to someone else's troops. Not a good thing, but it's nearly impossible to uncover what went wrong in a situation like that. What is Bush supposed to apologize for, someone else screwing up? It's not Bush's mistake, I don't see why he would owe an apology. And the Canadian troops getting hit is not something Bush is supposed to have control over, going back to your earlier statement.

And if a war starts with Iran (such as CNN is suggesting) than i definately will blame Bush for that because blah! after whats just happened in Iraq, they wanna put Iran through the same thing.

CNN shouldn't be suggesting anything, and if they are, change the channel immediatly. CNN should only report the facts, any suggestions should be commentary by various people who appear on their shows. Talk about war with Iran has been going on since they were named as part of the axis of evil. But the younger generation in Iran is likely to revolt, and overthrow their own government. That is far from a war with the US. That falls under the CIA's job.

[GiMpY-wAnNaBe]

Originally Posted by gekko

LOL. You're strange



You would be surprised how much the President doesn't have control over. Thanks to the lovely system of checks and balances, the President doesn't always get his way, and they have little control in other large government agencies, like the CIA, FBI, and many things within the military. But the President plays scapegoat during his term, part of the job I guess.



That's because it was a mistake. This was such big news because it happened to Canadian troops, but friendly fire incidents happen all the time to American troops. Take a look at the numbers in Iraq, non-hostile casualties are at a disturbing rate. Friendly fire is part of war, it happens, but this time it happened to someone else's troops. Not a good thing, but it's nearly impossible to uncover what went wrong in a situation like that. What is Bush supposed to apologize for, someone else screwing up? It's not Bush's mistake, I don't see why he would owe an apology. And the Canadian troops getting hit is not something Bush is supposed to have control over, going back to your earlier statement.



CNN shouldn't be suggesting anything, and if they are, change the channel immediatly. CNN should only report the facts, any suggestions should be commentary by various people who appear on their shows. Talk about war with Iran has been going on since they were named as part of the axis of evil. But the younger generation in Iran is likely to revolt, and overthrow their own government. That is far from a war with the US. That falls under the CIA's job.

hmm, never looked at many of those things in that way.... stupid CNN *muttering*

[gekko]

Originally Posted by GiMpY-wAnNaBe

hmm, never looked at many of those things in that way.... stupid CNN *muttering*

Hope you're not getting the wrong impression about CNN. CNN should only be reporting the facts, and leave you to form your own opinions about it. Now most news stations on TV are full of programs that bring in people to have political discussions. Those people will try to get their message across, but it will likely only show one side of the issue. CNN itself should never be suggesting anything about a war with Iran, but someone who comes on CNN may. It's his/her opinion, but they doesn't speak for the government, and they are likely only telling one side of the issue. The other problem with those shows, which was made very apparent when making the case for Iraq, is that they make the issue seem very cut and dry, and they never are. There are many things which are important, but will never make it into those short segments. Everything goes much deeper, but that stuff is usually left out of TV.

Anyway, before I get into a long rant on how I hate the media, I'll get back to the point. Someone who goes on CNN may think we're going to war with Iran, but there are many out there who also think that we won't. Don't start blaming Bush for something that someone on CNN is predicting. The White House handles each situation differently, and they have never said they plan to attack Iran. There's nothing wrong with watching CNN, but be sure to listen to both sides of the issue, because the truth likely lies somewhere in the middle. CNN's website is a much better place for information, if you want to avoid so much of the editorial, but they will only report what is new. For a better understanding of the whole situation, past, present and future, magazines like TIME, US News & World Report, and The Atlantic Monthly usually do a better job of giving you a more in-depth look at the situation, and not just what is currently going on.

[Vampyr]

Originally Posted by Bond

This keeps interest up. So it is a smart idea.

Im not even going to coment on that.

And I wouldn't be proud to be a Democrat right now. You have one huge image problem.

Whatever, man. Ill be proud of whatever the hell I want to be proud of.

[Bond]

Originally Posted by Vampyr

Im not even going to coment on that.

Terrorists are proven to attack when least expected. If you keep public interest up in the war against terrorism people will remain vigilant and it will be less likely that there will be a terrorist attack. It's an extremely simple concept.

I posted on another thread, the one about saddams sons confirmed dead, that America is doing stupid things that they dont have buisiness doing. Many people there forceably disagreed with me. Lets see them defend this.

Please do not turn this one of those "us vs. you" kind of things. We all of have our own unique opinions and that would be senseless.

And gekko is right about CNN. They should only report the facts, and not be opinionated in that regard. I still prefer newspapers over news channels. And there's a pretty low possibility that we could wage war with Iran. There will most likely be an uprising against the current government instead. Bet CNN didn't tell you that, eh gimpy?

[GiMpY-wAnNaBe]

Originally Posted by Bond

Terrorists are proven to attack when least expected. If you keep public interest up in the war against terrorism people will remain vigilant and it will be less likely that there will be a terrorist attack. It's an extremely simple concept.


Please do not turn this one of those "us vs. you" kind of things. We all of have our own unique opinions and that would be senseless.

And gekko is right about CNN. They should only report the facts, and not be opinionated in that regard. I still prefer newspapers over news channels. And there's a pretty low possibility that we could wage war with Iran. There will most likely be an uprising against the current government instead. Bet CNN didn't tell you that, eh gimpy?

nope, they actually failed to mention that, , but you have to admit the current US government is having quite a few of unhappy citizens on its hands. not to mention global citizens, although i don't blame bush for everything, i do blame him for supporting a lot of things like a war Iraq, i mean, he hasn't found the weapons, yet he still persists they ARE there, not they MIGHT be there. In my mind the possibility that they are there doesn't exist, I don't think its all bushes fault, i just think the current government is corrupt.

[Stonecutter]

Originally Posted by Bond

And gekko is right about CNN. They should only report the facts, and not be opinionated in that regard. I still prefer newspapers over news channels. And there's a pretty low possibility that we could wage war with Iran. There will most likely be an uprising against the current government instead. Bet CNN didn't tell you that, eh gimpy?

I assume it's still ok for Fox News to be opinionated though?

It's OK to be opinionated so long as you agree.

[Vampyr]

Originally Posted by Bond

We must go over the same simple points over and over and over and over.

WHAT!? Im agreeing with Bond! Seems impossible...

Seriously, we did the whole "going to Iraq was stupid" debate before.

[Bond]

Originally Posted by Vampyr

WHAT!? Im agreeing with Bond! Seems impossible...

Seriously, we did the whole "going to Iraq was stupid" debate before.

Er, that's not really what I meant. I meant that some people still think going to war was the wrong thing to do. It's been proven time and time again that it was the right thing to do. Look what Strangler posted, that alone is enough to go to war. Facts are on our side of the issue. If you won't listen to them it's pointless to discuss with a wall. Maybe that was what you meant, oh well... sorry if it was.

And for the record Hans Blix is a ****ing idiot who didn't want to find any weapons so he could keep his job.